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Subject: SHORT RANGE AAM
usajoe    8/13/2007 1:55:41 PM
Which short range IIR AAM would you guys take, the US AIM-9X Sidewinder,the Russian Vympel R-73, or the Isreali Python 5.
 
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displacedjim       8/13/2007 4:24:23 PM
The AIM-9X and Python 5 are essentially equivalent, and both are very much better than the R-73 (especially if using an HMS).
 
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flamingknives       8/13/2007 4:57:26 PM
Wot, no ASRAAM or IRIS-T?
 
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usajoe       8/13/2007 5:18:30 PM
Wot, no ASRAAM or IRIS-T?
 
The IRS-T  was developed because Germany found out that the R-73 was in many ways far more capable than
western types, and that is why Germany puled out of the ASRAAM design and went on to develop the IRS-T
Which is a upgraded R-73 and yes better than the R-73, but i think the ASRAMM  was a little disappointing.
 
 
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flamingknives       8/13/2007 5:24:55 PM
Based on what?
 
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usajoe       8/13/2007 5:33:39 PM
 manoeuvrablety,  seeker acquisition and tracking are not as good as the IRIS-T.
 
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Herald1234       8/13/2007 5:48:26 PM

 manoeuvrablety,  seeker acquisition and tracking are not as good as the IRIS-T.


Uh! I'm with FK on this question. Can you back that up?
Herald
 
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usajoe       8/13/2007 5:57:04 PM
Uh! I'm with FK on this question. Can you back that up?
 
That is what the Germans said

Germany left the ASRAAM project in the early 1990s after experiencing technical and funding issues, and in the spring of 1995 initiated a separate project, the IRIS-T. This decision was motivated by new insights into the performance of the Russian Vympel R-73  missile carried by the MiG-29s which Germany inherited during reunification. Specifically, Germany wanted to redesign the ASRAAM to match or exceed the maneuverability of the Archer which had been seriously underestimated by NATO, while Britain favored a high-speed, low-drag solution with relatively limited maneuverability but significantly extended range compared to the Sidewinder. As the two countries could not come to any agreement on this issue, Germany chose to terminate its involvement in the ASRAAM program and developed the completely new IRIS-T missile .

 
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Herald1234       8/13/2007 6:11:34 PM
 manoeuvrablety,  seeker acquisition and tracking are not as good as the IRIS-T.


Uh! I'm with FK on this question. Can you back that up?
Herald
 
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usajoe       8/13/2007 5:57:04 PM
Uh! I'm with FK on this question. Can you back that up?
 
That is what the Germans said

Germany left the ASRAAM project in the early 1990s after experiencing technical and funding issues, and in the spring of 1995 initiated a separate project, the IRIS-T. This decision was motivated by new insights into the performance of the Russian Vympel R-73  missile carried by the MiG-29s which Germany inherited during reunification. Specifically, Germany wanted to redesign the ASRAAM to match or exceed the maneuverability of the Archer which had been seriously underestimated by NATO, while Britain favored a high-speed, low-drag solution with relatively limited maneuverability but significantly extended range compared to the Sidewinder. As the two countries could not come to any agreement on this issue, Germany chose to terminate its involvement in the ASRAAM program and developed the completely new IRIS-T missile .

 
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Look the Luftwaffe look differently at aircombat than the RAF. The Luftwaffe expects knifefighting between individual jousters, the RAF expects a more open interval slash attack, shoot, decoy, and runaway multi-aircraft WVR furball. The RAF chose to develop ASRAAM in that light. NOTHING I've seen indicates to me that the ASRAAM  IR head is inferior in search conic, heat contrast sensitivity or seeing depth as opposed to the IRIS-T IR head. It is true that the ASRAAM gave up some jerk for range but then it had to for the REACH the RAF needed for the
 
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caltrop    Please cite references   8/13/2007 7:10:26 PM

Uh! I'm with FK on this question. Can you back that up?

 

That is what the Germans said


Germany left the ASRAAM project in the early 1990s after experiencing technical and funding issues, and in the spring of 1995 initiated a separate project, the IRIS-T. This decision was motivated by new insights into the performance of the Russian Vympel R-73  missile carried by the MiG-29s which Germany inherited during reunification. Specifically, Germany wanted to redesign the ASRAAM to match or exceed the maneuverability of the Archer which had been seriously underestimated by NATO, while Britain favored a high-speed, low-drag solution with relatively limited maneuverability but significantly extended range compared to the Sidewinder. As the two countries could not come to any agreement on this issue, Germany chose to terminate its involvement in the ASRAAM program and developed the completely new IRIS-T missile .





USAJOE
 
It is certainly polite, if not legally required,  to include a hyperlink to a website any time you directly copy text from and use elsewhere. Let me help you out there: 
 
h*tp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASRAAM
 
 
 IMHO, it is a faux pas to pass this information as your own learned opinion.
 
 
 
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Herald1234       8/13/2007 8:29:24 PM
I should have known.
 
The poster's language usage changed suddenly and I didn't catch it.
 
Must be tired.
 
Herald
 
 
 
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