Military History | How To Make War | Wars Around the World Rules of Use How to Behave on an Internet Forum
Military Science Fiction Discussion Board
   Return to Topic Page
Subject: Clone Troopers and Stormtroopers
TriggaFingaz    2/12/2006 7:46:46 AM
Which ones do you prefer: The Clone Troopers of the Galactic Republic (Star Wars Episode II & III) or the Imperial Stormtroopers of the classic Star Wars trilogy? For one, I like the episode III clones the best because of sheer variety- the commanders have names, while different units colour their armour to distinguish themselves! Also, they are clones of Boba Fett's father, Jango! While Stormtroopers are also cool, they are BLAND- all white, even in places where they would stand out like a tarantula on wedding cake... at least the clone troops who were serving with Yoda on Chewie's homeworld had camouflage!!! What are your views?
 
Quote    Reply

Show Only Poster Name and Title     Newest to Oldest
Pages: PREV  1 2 3   NEXT
AussieEngineer    RE:One more thing   2/28/2006 3:01:39 AM
They are pretty accurate in AotC and RotS. In ANH, the stormies anihilate the guards on the ship at the start. Also the first stormie out of the door in the Cell Block scene almost gets Han with a head shot from the hip.
 
Quote    Reply

buzzard    RE:One more thing   3/1/2006 4:35:36 PM
"They are pretty accurate in AotC and RotS. In ANH, the stormies anihilate the guards on the ship at the start. Also the first stormie out of the door in the Cell Block scene almost gets Han with a head shot from the hip." And they are incapable of winning a battle against a bunch of neolithic teddy bears. Pardon my last of respect for them. buzzard
 
Quote    Reply

AussieEngineer    RE:One more thing   3/2/2006 4:43:34 AM
rangers in mogadishu didn't do much better. The stormies were winning until chewie stole the imperial walker though.
 
Quote    Reply

asavery    RE:One more thing   3/2/2006 8:23:45 AM
Not sure if we want to include the Star Wars novels (Timothy Zahn specifically), but the impression from them are that post-RotJ cloning technology is VERY rare and hard to find, expensive to use, and difficult to master. Considering the source of the Clone army is outside the Republic, I find it highly unlikely that all Republic and Imperial "stormtroopers" are clones. Indeed, I tend to think that after the rise of the empire, Palpatine would attack the cloner's world (I forget the name of the race) to ensure someone else can not raise an army against him. So while there is a cardre of elite clone troops, they are likely worn down and attrited over time. Also, it is unclear how the accelerated aging in their youth might impact the clones once they reach maturity (does aging stop or continue rapidly) - this could be a problem.
 
Quote    Reply

buzzard    RE:One more thing   3/2/2006 9:27:12 AM
"rangers in mogadishu didn't do much better." Last I checked the rangers in Mogadishu didn't end up the prisoners of teddy bears. While the Mogadishu bit was certainly a FUBAR, if you look at the give and take, the Somalis had little enough to be proud of. buzzard
 
Quote    Reply

Eagle601    RE:Stormtrooper Accuracy   3/8/2006 8:53:59 PM
"Oh, I guess maybe when dealing with mooks, but shooting at Luke, Han or company, they couldn't hit the broad side of a barn if they were inside with the door shut." Remember Vader wanted them to escape so they could tracked to the Rebel base.
 
Quote    Reply

Eagle601    RE:asavery   3/8/2006 8:57:10 PM
I agree. In the Star wars:Battlefront II video game one mission has you attacking the now rebellious Kaminoians after the events of Ep. III. Also some behind the scene sources state that the Republic had already began cloning from new templates before the Clone Wars ended. I suspect the Stormtroopers were more internal security, NKVD types, while the Clonetroopers were an actual army. They even used combined arms in Ep. II complete with air-cav.
 
Quote    Reply

EKAdams    Status Of Soldiers   3/25/2006 4:54:27 AM
Lucas has actually stated in an interview that 50% of stormtroopers were clones. They just found it easier to conscript people. :) As for which would be best, the stormtroopers ARE clone troopers. They're the same thing, but with the advantage of around thirty years of technological research. There are also various sorts of ground vehicles in use, most of which were not seen in the films. The ordinary Imperial Army, on the other hand, is very different. The stormtroopers are considered the very elite and are used as shock troops and in planetary assault. They invade where necessary, then the army takes over.
 
Quote    Reply

tomadog02       12/21/2006 8:13:29 PM
The Stormtrooper effect, also called Stormtrooper syndrome, is a cliché in works of fiction where minor characters (cannon fodder) are unrealistically ineffective in combat against more important characters (almost always the protagonists "equipped" with character shields). The name originated with the armed Imperial Stormtroopers in the original Star Wars trilogy, who, despite their considerable advantages of close range, overwhelming numbers, professional military training, full armor, military-grade firepower, and noticeable combat effectiveness against non-speaking characters, were incapable of seriously harming or indeed merely hitting the protagonists. The effect is generally employed either to increase the dramatic tension of an action scene or to accentuate the heroes' fighting prowess.

The Stormtrooper effect is, in fact, much older than the Star Wars trilogy, and is common in cowboy films, action movies, martial arts films, and comics. It is often a source of mockery by critics, satirists and fandom, but it is generally recognized as bringing a camp appeal to works which employ it because of its use in quickly and effectively heightening a story's dramatic atmosphere.

A prototypical joke is to cite an "Imperial Stormtrooper School of Marksmanship" whose graduates are inexplicably poor shots; for example, "The Nazis in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade must all have studied at the Imperial Stormtrooper School of Marksmanship." [1]

 
Quote    Reply

Nanheyangrouchuan       12/22/2006 12:15:15 AM
The storm troopers of the 70s were created at  a time when cloning was some esotaric idea.  Besides, even though the clone troopers were fairly uniform, you'd figure that by the time episode 4 came around, more random genetic variation would have taken place.
 
Quote    Reply
PREV  1 2 3   NEXT



 Latest
 News
 
 Most
 Read
 
 Most
 Commented
 Hot
 Topics