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Subject: 80cm Gustav Gerat
Carl S    10/4/2006 8:45:42 PM
Anyone know anything about determining the penetration of the ammuntion for this beast? Ian Hogg & a few others very briefly describe its use vs the Soviet forts at Sevastopol. Any hard data or ideas on this gun or the other large guns, down to 20cm are welcome.
 
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Herald1234       10/4/2006 9:18:09 PM

Anyone know anything about determining the penetration of the ammuntion for this beast? Ian Hogg & a few others very briefly describe its use vs the Soviet forts at Sevastopol. Any hard data or ideas on this gun or the other large guns, down to 20cm are welcome.
Carl;

All I know about the German 80 cm. gun was that it was designed to smash in the gun cupolas of the Maginot Line. From what I remember of that set of fortificatrions the minimum requirements had to be an ability to pierce at least five meters of reinforced concrete by plunging fire with a delayed action shell. The Germans used a concrete-filled shell, fired from that gun, to smash at the fixed fortifications around Sevastopol. There were also some huge self propelled mortars the Germans developed that were built to fulfill almost the same requirements.

So that is what little I remember. 

I am no artillery authority. I know less about the subject than almost anybody I read posting here. But I did find this;

.link references attached to that article provided some good general knowledge for me when I went hunting out of curiousity after you piqued it..

From there the data tree branches out in multiple directions from each article or source cited..

I hope my little contribution helps.

Herald

 
 
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Herald1234       10/4/2006 9:21:30 PM
Apologies.
 
I keep forgetting I have to switch over to OPERA to HTML the links.
 
Here is the link again;
 
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Herald
 
 
 
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Carl S       10/5/2006 5:05:46 PM
I was not able to open either of those two links.  A very common thing for me on this web site.  Can you just give the URLfor me to decode?

Ian Hogg has details on the ammunition and other general numbers on the two guns (or three).   But neither he nor any of the web sites has any information on what the ammunition was susposed to accomplish.  Neither have I found yet any data on the Sevastopol forts attacked.  A Russian coorespondent was skeptical I'd find any of the latter.

Hogg opined the 80cm gun was actually instigated as a ego thing by Hitler.  He identifies it amoung several thoretical case studies Krupp did in the 1920s & early 30s.  At some point Hitler heard of this one and wanted to know why it was not in production.  Apparently another of his personal interest weapons.  The 24 & 28cm guns Krupp & others built, and the Morsers, seem to have been the cannon the Wehrmacht was planning for siege weapons.
 
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Herald1234    Cut and paste:   10/5/2006 5:32:38 PM

Carl;

Here are some cut and paste links. Original source is Wikipedia; Schwere Gustav;
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A pair of videos that show the Schwere Gustav outside Sevastopol.
 
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Where the US found the gun barrel.
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Something about its ammunition.{German language page translated by GOOGLE translation software.}
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Once again I hope this helps.
 
Herald
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Herald1234    Cut and paste:   10/5/2006 5:51:44 PM

Carl;

Here are some cut and paste links. Original source is Wikipedia; Schwere Gustav;
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This site below is in French 
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A pair of videos that show the Schwere Gustav outside Sevastopol.
 
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Where the US found the gun barrel.
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Something about its ammunition.{German language page translated by GOOGLE translation software.}
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Once again I hope this helps.
 
Herald
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Herald1234    Cut and paste:   10/5/2006 6:06:03 PM
I really hate this format!
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That French site about the Schwere Gustav;

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Apologies. The links seem to work on my system one day and then freeze out the next. These links I think will work now.
 
Speaking of which, I noticed that Internet Explorer is a sometime thing. OPERA seems to work a lot better, Firefox just plain fails me.
 
Herald    
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Carl S       10/5/2006 11:15:48 PM
Actually not a single link will open.  Just the usual error message that is standard issue with Strategy page links.  The one URL posted did.  Full URLs are seldom a problem.
 
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Herald1234       10/6/2006 7:12:55 PM
Carl,
All I can say is sorry.
It seems to be a problem that I call Human Operator Error. Mine specifically
I will try one more time.

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Herald1234       10/6/2006 8:52:14 PM
!@#$%^&*() it!

Carl,
1. Use the properties window.
2. That is left click on the link and then right click on the line called properties then cut and paste only that  part of the strategy page address that contains the actual link URL that is appended to the total strategy page address.

The actual  complete URL when I type it in either using the HTML editor or when I try to use the  link editor just gives me dead links as the result.

Herald

 
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Herald1234       10/6/2006 8:55:49 PM
Addendum.

I know you already know how to do that, but I just thought I would suggest it, if you hadn't thought of that as a way to recover a dead link for a cut and paste. Meanwhile I will continue to play with the forum, to see if I can get the silly thing to behave.

Herald
 
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Carl S       10/6/2006 9:26:03 PM
"1. Use the properties window."

Ah, you are assuming I am on a PC.  

Actually I originally tried to open the links with a PC.  Tomorrow I'll be back at the coffe shop & will try the properties window on their machine.  Actually this is becoming fun, trying to find the righ buttons to push.  Sort of a little encryption puzzle.
 
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Carl S       10/6/2006 9:32:10 PM
"The actual  complete URL when I type it in either using the HTML editor or when I try to use the  link editor just gives me dead links as the result."

I'm almost always able to just cut & paste a URL.  On many web sites its enough for me just to paste it in & a instant link is created.  No clue how that works.  It just does.

link style="border-spacing: 2px 2px; font-family: Verdana; font-size: 14.6667px;">
 
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Carl S       10/6/2006 9:38:32 PM
Here tho squirrly things happen.  ie the link I just pasted in wont function either.  I'm inclined to blame the web site program.  In general Strat. Page. is way more buggy than average.  It seems to crash more often.  And, there are a lot of anoying little idyosyncracies.  ie: no edit function for the post one just made.  

Fortunantly there are quality people to talk to on this artilery forum, like yourself, so its ok when not frustrating.
 
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Herald1234    Many thanks.   10/6/2006 10:03:13 PM
I appreciate the compliment.
 
I hope that I continue to learn new things from veteran members such as yourself.
 
I thought I had found a way to use the text editor to post links.
 
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For example I posted the link above and tested it in preview. It worked, then but as I send this message through I can almost guarantee that the link has a better than even chance of not working.
 
Here goes nothing.
 
Herald 
 
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Herald1234    Surprise!   10/6/2006 10:04:23 PM
It works with IE 7!
 
Herald
 
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