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Subject: Motivation Behind Peace Plan and Beirut Summit
Phoenix Rising    3/27/2002 8:33:56 PM
Maybe the Saudis just like muddying the waters for political science majors. They were put on this Earth to make my life difficult. Seems to be as valid an explanation as anything else I've heard. The Saudis gained a measure of credibility with Europe and the U.N. by proposing it. It gives the doves something to endorse as a way out, without those doves taking any responsibility, since it wasn't actually their idea. It cost Israel standing in a way I can't quite puzzle out. Nonetheless, Sharon's administration now comes off as more hardline and uncompromising than before, even though their policies remain unchanged. SA has managed to throw up a smokescreen to make it seem as though they are refusing a legitimate attempt at compromise. It is paying lip service, at least, to the missions of Cheney and Zinni in the region, at least those parts of their missions aimed at promoting regional stability. On the other hand, the Saudis had to know that Israel could never accept it. The Golan Heights are too strategic to surrender. In addition, the odds of this plan actually stopping Israeli-Palestinian violence are nearly nil. It almost certainly leaves Arafat in charge of the Palestinians, which is increasingly seen in Israel as an unviable option. In addition, it will give Arafat and his organization time to regroup and rearm (or continue to arm) for future engagements, for which Israel will be less well protected. Then again, it could be that it's simply my attribution biases making me say all that. Saudi Arabia may simply be sick of all the violence in their own backyard, sick of seeing their region derided as the slum of the world. It may also be that the Saudi royal family is beginning to feel heat from internal pressure getting sick of their rule, and possibly their hardline approach to Israel along with it. Whatever the case, they seem determined to remain a wildcard throughout this whole mess. For their sakes, I hope they're as good at escaping webs as they are at weaving them. --Phoenix Rising
 
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bsl    RE:Motivation Behind Peace Plan and Beirut Summit   3/27/2002 11:16:13 PM
PS, Two thoughts: 1)I think that, on some level, major Saudis ARE scared. Not of any one thing, specifically, so much as that they fear that if things spiral up much more, all sorts of random elements will start breaking loose all through the region and that one or more of those will land in Arabia. The Saudis are contemptible people, in many ways. They fund not only many, if not most, of the anti-Israeli groups, but their money is behind a LOT of the anti-Western and antiAmerican activity in the world. But, they are not, themselves, brave or eager to put their gold-lated butts on the line for their ideology. Al Qaeda, the Iranians, even Arafat have some bravery in their makeup. Not the Saudis. (The corollary of this proposition, btw, is that they can be intimidated someone cares to try, someday.) 2)Another of the things which scare the Saudis, these days, is AMERICAN anger. It's finally dawned on them that we're becoming angry enough to look a LOT more closely at details of Saudi conduct, and as a lot of that conduct connects, at some level, to dead Americans, the Saudis have some measure of fear that America may come after THEM. This plan may, to some degree, be seen a ploy to deflect attention away from Arabia. As you listen to impassioned Saudi demands to deal with the Israeli-Palestinian War, think not so much about the hand they're waving in our faces as the other hand they have concealed behind their backs. The one which is sending money to Al Qaeda, and various other groups. And, just how many of the names we see printed in connection with Al Qaeda belong to citizens of Saudi Arabia.
 
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Jojo.xl    RE:Motivation Behind Peace Plan and Beirut Summit   3/30/2002 4:53:10 AM
By buying almost the entirely all oil production of Saoudia arabia Us make them richest.So the good answer is Us must buying saoudia oil as i konow that Europeans are not good buyers , you cab be sure that SA will become poor in little time!
 
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bsl    RE:Motivation Behind Peace Plan and Beirut Summit   3/30/2002 11:00:59 PM
It makes no difference who buys Saudi oil. The relevant consideration is whether they can sell it, at all. Oil is fungible. (Nearly so, anyway.) If the United States changes suppliers, someone else who used to buy the oil America now buys will buy the Saudi oil we used to buy. To make a strategy like that work, you need to find a way to take Saudi oil entirely off the market AND ensure that alternative supplies come from somewhere else. If not the latter, than you trash the international economy INCLUDING the American economy. bsl
 
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