this post originated in hong kong............why ?

Erm no dudley, I am not from Hong Kong, I am from Gods country, (North Wales)! Why did you think of Hong Kong? Ian

Hey Subfan, Gimme your email, and I'll send you the pics of the old Blowpipe SLAM, then you can show up the people at subsim who told you no such pics exist... ;) Cheers

No one on subsim said into didn't exist or that there were no pictures. Anyway my e-mail is benedict.kent AT tesco.net with AT replaced by @ and no spaces.

No mate, I mean they said no pictures of the Blowpipe SLAM exist. From the images I've sent you, you'll notice that the whole installation takes up wuite a bit of conning tower space...

"As for it being the only "known" one currently in development then I beg to differ with the DCN developing one and the Triton...Both of them are know development programmes. The link below shows some interesting stuff." considering the fact that I was at a sub warfare and underwater defence technology conference as recently as 19-21 October, I would assume that the info on discussion was pretty clear about progress etc... there is a vast difference between pics on a company website and actual progress. French stratege has already made mention of the exocet boosted concept, that is still a work in progress as is triton. No offence, but some of the statements made by people on subsim are a bit cavalier. I'll continue to place more technical faith in an actual conference where manufacturers, uniforms and other relevant black shoes are in attendance than a public forum. It should also be patently obvious to even the most enthusiastic of info trawlers that the web is not the repository of information.

there is actually one other system that is closer to deployment than any of the ones mentioned to date - however, I'm assuming that as none of it is in the public domain, that there is a reason for it. - and it's a "western" system. the chinese are believed to be working on a SLAAM, but again, thats an exercise in "area 51" conversations and speculation. Both of which I personally don't have a lot of time for. you're also misunderstanding the tone and intent of my response when you post "One guy tried telling me that the IDAS is the only "known" one in development. So Triton and the French ones are unknown?" The use of "rabbits ears" within the body of text denotes a veiled response. I assumed that you'd pick that up. Apparerntly not. I and any number of other posters in here can hilight CTD's that haven't made it past the 32,000 colour poster stage or to the 1st sliding door of the lab - that doesn't mean that they're deployable, deliverable or for that matter conceivable. A CTD is that - no more, no less and all the HTML references and pics in the world won't change it's relevance until it's at a more pronounced stage. Lets make it pretty clear, if there was greater detail to add by me, and it was approp, I'd say it. You'll notice that a few of the other regulars in here who actually do have some real world experience have kept their counsel as well. That should also speak volumes. Otherwise it's a "Roswell" approach to technical discussions.

OK I t\ke your point. I understnad there are hundreds of concepts and systems that aren't public domain and on the internet and most are secret due to the nature of the defence industry. All I was doing was contributing to the discussion on submarine SAM defence and pointing out these are the only systems I know of that are in development either as a concept before development and testing or systems that have made it to at least prototype stage. I admit I am purely an enthusiast and as a result don't know all the ins and outs and any insight given here by professionals in the field adds to my knowledge of various systems. I also understand that any SAM launch is effectively a last shot gambit of any sub captain. Of all I know whether practical or not the idea that a submarine, submerged could take on a ASW helo or MPA is fascinating. If any such systems were ever deployed I am assuming that they would be used when there was a bigger than not probability the targetted helo or MPA is some way from getting help and that the sub can scoot in time to clear datum after taking the shot.

HELLO, I am doing a project on anti air missile for submarine, can u send me the picture blowpipe missile system mounted on submarine. do u have any picture of the new IDAS missile how the technology work? thanks my email is lpsw15@yahoo.com

Just a matter of time before they actualy test a sidewinder launched from a submerged sub..

AIM-9X Land Launch Demo Advances Sub Payload Capability

By Team Submarine Public Affairs, NAVSEA Newswire, 5 Jan 06

WASHINGTON - The Navy successfully conducted a research and development (R&D) land based test at an Army range in New Mexico, leveraging the Sidewinder AIM-9X missile, an air to air missile used on tactical fighter aircraft, to proof out critical missile adaptation features for submarine use.

Among the test objectives achieved in November 2005 were the ability to vertically launch the missile from zero velocity, and to lock-on after launch.  The test was a collaborative effort between the Joint Program Office for Air to Air Missiles, Raytheon Missile Systems and Team Submarine Advanced Research.  Capt. Mark Bock, program manager for Team Submarine's Undersea Defensive Systems Program Office, led this effort.

The land launched test involved detecting, tracking and destroying an unmanned helicopter drone. The target was not visible to the missile at launch.  The missile turned and acquired the target several miles down range, remaining locked on until intercept.

Many “firsts” were achieved during this demonstration.  Aside from the zero air speed vertical launch, this test was also the first AIM-9X launched from an Army Chaparral trailer, the first AIM-9X to engage a target below 3,000 feet, or 300 knots, and the first launch using a commercial off the shelf fire control system.

Because the AIM-9X missile is a good choice for research and development (R&D) of small missile payloads for the guided missile submarines (SSGNs) and attack submarines (SSNs), the results can be extended to other missile payloads and different platforms such as the Littoral Combat Ship. 

The next step in this R&D process is to analyze the vertical launch thrust characteristics of gas production and temperature in support of encapsulation for an underwater test. 

According to Capt. Bock, planning for in-water testing of the capability is currently underway.

“The ‘encapsulation’ technique will be the forerunner for deploying air breathing payloads like unmanned aerial vehicles from submarines in the future,” he said.

The most mature of these encapsulation technologies, the Stealthy Affordable Capsule System or SACS, will be leveraged for the next phase of risk reduction testing. This effort, led by the Northrop Grumman Corporation, will demonstrate the capability to encapsulate and perform submerged launch of the AIM-9X from a launch fixture representative of a submarine Vertical Launch System that is currently used for Tomahawk cruise missiles.

The long-range research goal is to be able to field any existing Department of Defense missile payload onboard submarines rapidly and at low cost.