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SYSOP    2/22/2013 5:19:09 AM
 
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Chris       2/22/2013 4:42:14 PM
Maybe we should some some of these for Taiwan - the Russians would love that, and we'd solve the vendor problem for the conventional subs we agreed to give Taiwan at the same time! 
 
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vahitkanig       2/23/2013 2:05:21 PM
Submarine  may  have a  function   to  protect  aircraft  carrier by  scouting  around  her  ,but  not  to chase and   hunt  each  other,
Hunter -Kiler  submariens   must  be  smaller.
Kilo      :  72  meter length 
Lada     :  70 meter lenght
U-212   :  56  meter lenght
italian  Scire : 57  meter ; but  for  me  most dangerous  for aircraft  carrier.
 
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Flyingarty2    Subs hungting subs   2/23/2013 2:20:33 PM
Not so, attack subs perform many functions, one of which is finding and sinking other subs. Yes, SSN's protect a carrier task force, but they perform many other duties as well. They launched cruise missiles during the attack on Libya for example-they insert SEAL's for another.
 
 
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WarNerd       2/24/2013 4:53:34 AM
Submarine  may  have a  function   to  protect  aircraft  carrier by  scouting  around  her  ,but  not  to chase and   hunt  each  other,
Hunter -Kiler  submariens   must  be  smaller.
Kilo      :  72  meter length 
Lada     :  70 meter lenght
U-212   :  56  meter lenght
italian  Scire : 57  meter ; but  for  me  most dangerous  for aircraft  carrier.
Conventional submarines may be used to scout an area in advance of a passage, but they cannot keep up with a carrier while submerged, and most can’t on the surface either.
 
They lack both the speed and endurance.
 
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Belisarius1234    Size matters.   2/24/2013 9:10:43 AM
Energy to do work.
 
The better the sonar, the better the detection standoff. More so than in air combat, first seen (heard) is first dead.
 
The large American boats have good sonars, and can run them 24/7 with appropriate silencing, so that the SSNs can hear the diesel/electrics snort or clatter around on their AIP plants.
 
The diesel electrics don't have the power, acoustic arrays and silencing  to move at speed to keep pace with a nuke.
 
In a blue water fight, they are dead meat. D/E boats have to hide and ambush at shallows, choke points, and in the shadow of noise reflector terrain, biologicals and ocean weather. Problem is the nukes can do that, too, and still retain the sensor edge.  
 
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Submarine  may  have a  function   to  protect  aircraft  carrier by  scouting  around  her  ,but  not  to chase and   hunt  each  other,

Hunter -Kiler  submariens   must  be  smaller.

Kilo      :  72  meter length 

Lada     :  70 meter lenght

U-212   :  56  meter lenght

italian  Scire : 57  meter ; but  for  me  most dangerous  for aircraft  carrier.


Conventional submarines may be used to scout an area in advance of a passage, but they cannot keep up with a carrier while submerged, and most can’t on the surface either.

 

They lack both the speed and endurance.

 
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