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Subject: America vs. Russia
sooner    1/30/2004 11:22:14 AM
Allies--supposedly. Who would strategically win a war?
 
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roadcop    RE:America vs. Russia   6/9/2004 7:50:59 AM
I think Russia should have 3 combat ready CBGs (Northern Atlantic, Mediterranean and Pacific) and 2-3 reserve CBGs (for rotation). Also, we should have 2-3 LHA-class ships in same areas. Plus several patrol groups for fishing/merchant protection (near Africa Western Coast, Newfoundland, Iceland, in Indian Ocean). Although, all that is pure science fiction. Corruption, thievery and bribery are common for high-ranking military and government officials. Generals and admirals have large apartments in Moscow (1,000,000 USD), Lexus and Infinity Jeeps (500,000), villas in Spain (15,000,000) (and salary of Fleet Commander is about 1000 dollars a month). One of "Pyotr Velikiy" CGNs senior oficcers was recently accused in theft of about 500,000 USD. Now he is in jail. But his case is typical for modern Russia.
 
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Ad    RE:America vs. Russia   6/9/2004 10:51:06 AM
Even if there wasn?t any corruption, the type of Navy your dreaming of would cost £30 billion to develop, maintain and supply. That?s larger than the current Russian defence budget for ALL the Russian armed forces.
 
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interrested 2    RE:America vs. Russia   6/9/2004 2:22:01 PM
Danuas, Nobody here is dogging you but think of it: Even a very small country like Holland has 138 F16's..how in gods name could the US only have 250? If you would just spend one hour doing some research you would see that the US has russia beat in ALL (well most of) aspects. Face it, there's only one super power and that's the USA. PS, as it is now you wouldn't stand a chance against europe. China will surpass you soon (if it hasn't already), india has a better and larger economy which is growing fast and russia will be delagated to the 5th place or lower. Sorry but until russia gains economical strength, thus rooting out the curruption/crime first, you're not going to be a mayor player in the next 20 years or so. Furthermore, it remains to be seen if China will be a bigger economical power in 8 years. Even if it could get an equal GNP they are still bothered by having to sustain a 1.3 bilion people population which drains a lot of money. THAN, they have to close the gap first, and have you seen anything close to a F35, F22, DD(x) programm? They are lucky if they could get to the current USA level in 10 years. you know having stuff equal to the:M1, Ah64, super hornet, F15, F16, los angeles class etc...and having enough of them. All childiss remarks aside, do your homework, think and than write. Do NOT copy a government paper believing it's gospel.
 
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Danuas    RE:America vs. Russia   6/9/2004 3:06:21 PM
First of all, im not Russian. I lived in the U.S for 3 years. Im actually Danish. First of all i got the info from , second i have done more reasearch and the number is wrong. That is why i havent tried to defend it lately. By the way dont teach me about economy. I know for sure that china has surpassed Russia. It will soon surpass the U.S. I wouldnt go as fare as saying that India has a better economy then Russia. The GDP per capital in Russia is 3 times higher then in India. However, the below poverty line is higher in Russia then India. but dont forget that Indias economy is atleast 25% of the economy, while in russia its about 7 to 6%. The economy in Russia will rise more the next couple of years because the government are removing the bigbosses from the power of the large companies. That will reduce the monopoly. Russia is still in a recorver stage after the U.S.S.R fell. All i was trying to say was that Russia is not that weak.
 
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Danuas    ups   6/9/2004 3:08:59 PM
Actually i did say that Russia army was stronger then the U.S army. Sorry about that. I lost my head i guess.
 
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tank    RE:America vs. Russia   6/9/2004 3:22:24 PM
I think what the problem was the numbers were so rediculous it made people think you were trying to post something just to get everybody going,but that was not the case a honest mistake.Now to my point I think the russian economy could easily match china's in 20 years.Here is why russia just drooped communism in a day virtually shutting down there economy.CHINA chose the path of least resistance slowly moving into capatilism making there sucess earlier easy to attain. THE fact of the matter is china has no resoures and that will drain their economy down the road.RUSSIA has a wealth of resource to give to the world down the line hence bringing there country and economy back to the forefront of the world.Agree or disagree I ask..
 
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Danuas    RE:America vs. Russia   6/9/2004 8:37:02 PM
hmm its i dont know. Russia does have lots of resources and china few. I guess it is possible.
 
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gf0012-aust    RE:America vs. Russia   6/9/2004 8:55:04 PM
Just to add some clarity here, it's estimated that up to 80% of the Russian penanted fleet is inoperable. Russias military strength lies in nukes, and the fact that you'd have to be a congenital idiot to invade it. The only way to have a chance with Russia is to pincer it and saturate concurrently - and russias sheer size makes that an exercise in optimism. Be that as it may, I'd suggest that Russia should be more interested in focussing it's military resources around siberia, rather than worry about the loss of face with its former WARPAC entities. America vs Russia is a bit of a non event.
 
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Warhammer    RE:America vs. Russia   6/10/2004 1:09:06 AM
Also the fact that the russian population is about 1/2 that of the US doesn't help it in the long run. Pound for pound, the US has practically the best military in the world, and the US can afford to spare more pounds for a military than russia can. Not looking good for the russians given the fact that most of all their remaining military equipment is in mothball mode.
 
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roadcop    RE:America vs. Russia   6/10/2004 3:31:22 AM
Ad, Russia actually HAS equipment comparable or better than US. Shouldnt you exclude F-16 from your list of US super-equipment? Was it the worst of US warplanes during 1st Gulf War?
 
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