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Subject: Bye Bye Battleships
Harold C. Hutchison    1/13/2006 12:19:47 AM


The U.S. Navy is asking Congress for permission to remove the battleships Iowa and Wisconsin from the Naval Register of Vessels, citing the grand total of $1.4 million annual  maintenance costs for both vessels. The two ships are presently kept in reserve as part of a 1996 Congressional mandate (Section 1011 of Public Law 104-106), which was  in response to the 1995 decision to remove all four remaining battleships from the Naval Register of Vessels.

There has been a push by a number of retired Marine officers and other former officials (including former Secretary of the Navy John Lehman, former Marine Commandants Paul X. Kelley and James Jones, and General Tommy Franks, commander of CENTCOM during the liberation of Afghanistan and Iraq) to reactivate the battleships. Total cost for reactivation as is has been placed at $430 million,  with 14 months needed to complete the work. A 10-month modernization program costing a total of $500 million for both ships is also proposed. This would permit the ships to be ready in two years.

The Navy, however, wants to use the new DD(X) to provide naval gunfire for supporting troops ashore. But the first, or 24,  DD(X) will not enter service until 2013. These vessels, however, seem to be slated to operate with carriers, rather than provide fire support, primarily due to their price tag, which will be $2.5 billion per ship. This price for one of the later DD(X) vessels (early versions are projected to run as high as $5 billion per ship) is just a hair under three times the cost estimate of modernizing the Iowa and Wisconsin. 

There also is the matter of JDAM, GPS guided smart bombs dropped from carrier and land-based aircraft. These have provided all-weather precision-attack capability in close support of ground troops, in both Afghanistan and Iraq. The troops prefer these to artillery, because they are more flexible and accurate. Fire support from ships is limited by the availability of deep water, which can be a problem in places like Afghanistan and most of Iraq. 

Despite this, some people still favor the battleships due to their nine 16-inch guns, which can hurl 2700 pound armor-piercing shells up to 44 kilometers away. In 1991, the Missouri and Wisconsin provided fire support for Marine forces in Kuwait (and in one instance, forces from Saddam Hussein?s regime surrendered to the unmanned aerial vehicle being used for gunfire spotting). Proponents also point to their ability to rapidly follow up when compared to aircraft (which have to fly back to a carrier to refuel and rearm, then fly back ? which takes a lot longer). These ships are also heavily armored, and able to resist all but the largest torpedoes and anti-ship missiles. They also can carry 32 Tomahawk cruise missiles in armored box launchers and sixteen Harpoon (or SLAM) missiles. Proposed modernization programs replace the armored box launchers with vertical-launch systems that will at least quadruple the number of Tomahawks carried (depending on the size of VLS used, the number of Tomahawks carried could be octupled) and double the number of Harpoons or SLAMs carried. Enhanced rounds for the 16-inch guns capable of reaching targets 185 kilometers away are also part of the upgrade proposal. However, since 1991, the JDAM has gone into service, and that has changed the situation considerably. 

That said, reactivating battleships comes at a cost that the Navy considers too high. Even with reduced crews of 1,100, the costs will be enormous. Each crewman costs the navy an average of $90,000 per year ? this is a cost of $99 million per year per battleship. The battleships also require a different type of fuel than the more modern naval vessels. This means that they require an additional logistical train. Many of the spare parts also have to be custom-made, which is also expensive, since the shipbuilding industry has changed over the past sixty years. 

The debate over the Iowa-class battleships will continue to rage. The marines want proven fire support (which the battleships are), and feel that the Navy is treating naval gunfire support with less respect than the air force treats close-air support. The navy does not wish to rely on ships that will soon be old enough to collect Social Security. This is a debate that will rage for a long period of time, even when the first DD(X) enters service. ? Harold C. Hutchison (hchutch@ix.netcom.com)

Author's note: In the interest of full disclosure, the author favors the modernization and reactivation of the Iowa and Wisconsin, and opposes efforts to strike them until suitable replacements have entered service.

 
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ssfeldjager    RE:Bye Bye Battleships   1/29/2006 8:36:47 PM
The DD(X), eh? Let's review, shall we? The US military is considering re-adopting a 45 ACP service round for a pistol and they have grudgingly admitted, albeit not officially, that the 5.56mm isn't the 'magic bullet' with the high velocity small caliber that it was touted to be in the 1960's. It seems that experience has shown tht a larger projectile is better suited to various conditions met in warfare, as far as an infantryman's weapon goes. So, this appears to be that hi-tech isn't the answer to all of the world's problems. There is such a thing that when you have something, regardless of what it is, the newer version or improvement of the item isn't always better. Having a battleship available in theater now or within 14 to 18 months of notice of activation as support, complementing or stand-alone from a carrier sure seems better than an unproved and non-existent DD(X).
 
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blacksmith    RE:Bye Bye Battleships   2/1/2006 12:29:35 AM
Perhaps given the price of oil, we should build some wooden ships of the line with three decks of muzzle loaders. The were, after all, proven technologies. The 5.56 wasn't superior to the 7.62. It was the answer to poorly trained unmotivated draftees who emptied their magazines blindly over walls. Smaller calibers meant more magazines. A tactical fighter can carry the equivalent of a salvo of 2,000 lb ordnance far, far beyond the range of any battleship and fly them right into windows and cave entrances. Even windows and cave entrances that don't conveniently face the sea. The age of the battleship is over. While awsome to behold, they are only suitable for museums now. The problem with the DD(X) is not that the gun is too small. It's that the gun is there at all.
 
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K-OS    RE:Bye Bye Battleships   2/2/2006 1:08:11 AM
The Iowa class battleships would, whether the navy wants them or not, kept around for awhile longer. Why? Because they're great propaganda, among other lesser reasons. Battleships have been the premiere vessels of a navy for a century, and still continue to be viewed as weapons of great power by the general public, even if they are very vulnerable today. There is great support for them in Congress, to add. So even if they are outdated and have fewer reasons to exist than a carrier, they will be kept simply because they have a great public image.
 
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