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Subject: NAVY SEALS VS BRITISH SAS
LJ813    7/1/2005 9:34:17 PM
I WILL GO FOR THE NAVY..
 
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j0hnnywinter       11/14/2007 6:58:28 PM
i agree with you in who would win in a fight, however there are rougly only 2,500 navy seals.
 
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paul1970       11/14/2007 7:47:01 PM

bollocks, there's another idea

special forces cherades

some wank makes up special forces nicknames, mottos, the like... and us lot have to guess which group it's suppose to be

 

(ps. did anyone else press that fart button???)

 


ultimate force..... or the unit.....       :-)
 
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bob the brit       11/15/2007 8:41:10 PM




bollocks, there's another idea



special forces cherades



some wank makes up special forces nicknames, mottos, the like... and us lot have to guess which group it's suppose to be



 



(ps. did anyone else press that fart button???)



 




ultimate force..... or the unit.....       :-)


i managed to catch a couple 'ultimate force' episodes and rather enjoyed it, british TV had been lacking in a good comedy. as for the unit, well if that's how they live, on an oppo one minute and at home with the wife the next, seems i was in the wrong group and left too early.
 
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Ehran       11/16/2007 1:10:00 PM








 But I honestly believe, in terms of nationalism, the US ranks low, at least on internet forums.






take a cruise round here and count the chest beaters dk  for every FS there are a half dozen DA.


I must be crack happy, I don't see as many. Perhaps the reason is because non Americans can get away with saying anything, yet when an Amrican opens his mouth, he gets a thrashing for saying something not nearly as nationalistic as an Australian, Candian, or a brit.


there was an interesting psych study i read about where they took people with strong beliefs about politics and had them read an article then rate it for bias.  the article was quite carefully crafted to be neutral with the number of negative comments even on both sides.  sure enough the people who were republicans thought it was biased toward the dems and vice versa because they failed to notice the jibes at their opposite numbers while the negative comments against their beliefs stood out in their memory.  humans have a considerable tendency to regard comments reinforcing their basic beliefs as "telling it like it is" and to view comments contrary to their views as vile calumnies.  just another one of the things that make human to human communication such a dicey business.
 
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Yimmy       11/16/2007 1:16:39 PM
Ehran, I can believe what your saying, however being non-biased does not equate to an equal number of jibes to each side.  It means no jibes at all.



 
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dirtykraut       11/16/2007 7:03:36 PM
Fair enough ehran. But I think we're both victims of that very human tendancy.
 
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meunknown       11/20/2007 8:39:48 PM
 

Wow this thread has been very, very interesting reading to say the least. It took me awhile to read through the whole thing. There has been a lot of idiots (or wrong information), some pretty funny things, and some really good points! I think a lot of the arguments have deviated from the thread topic but I just wanted to throw my hat in the mix as taboo as that may be.

Although it is arguable whether or not you can compare the two and for plenty of reasons you can and for plenty reasons you can't but it has been done. Before I go into who is or isn't better the home of a Navy SEAL is the water and I don't care who you are you come into my house and you wont be able to touch me. Now the SAS are legendary and by legendary I mean bayonet his enemy in the chest pull his heart and take a bite out of it. (sound false huh?true story I've seen the video). Regardless the ranking goes like this undisputed and if anybody has a reason to be bias it's myself but I?m just being honest.

 1st-SAS

2nd-SEALS

3rd-is VERY very arguable. I do agree with the fact that Aussie is definitely close but in my personal opinion the Israeli special forces, are more then impressive. Naturally they should be there since the history of war involving their country outdates the UK and US put together. But that?s not what this thread is about.

First and second places are set in stone. There is not a JSOC GROUP in the US or military UNIT in the UK, Europe, the rest of the world that are more skilled. I would love to get detailed and throw out numbers and confuse the average reader with military jargon but the truth is this...You can't isolate SEALS to water nor can you do the same with the SAS to the desert. Regardless what their specialty is or was, training is far more extensive and encompasses a much broader variety then just that.

After reading some other comments here I definitely want to address a couple things as off subject as they may be. Although stupidity should not be dignified with a response ignorance is a complete different thing.

1st. Delta (SFOD-D) was molded after the SAS. There is a ton of internet space don?t waste any of it embarassing yourself with negative nonesense about DELTA.

2nd. I want to sum this up as easily as possible...The strongest ARMY based on numbers isn't American or British. It's Chinese and that is based purely on numbers. BUT you are only as good as your counter parts (air force and navy) in a combined effort. Conventional warfare is not the same as it once was where 2 sides faced off on a battle field, or in jungle or desert and caught bullets. In that scenario numbers were just as or almost as important as strategy. Now, (excluding urban warfare) larger countries do as much as they can from safety and distance to save lives and that is where technology is the arms race winner. You may have more people and more bullets then anybody else but if you don't have the necessary military support the strength of your army is garbage. So for what it's worth (man to man) China has the greater army.

3rd.  Overall SAS are ranked 1st  BUT DEVGRU under the Clinton administration were monsters and with an unconfirmed budget 1 year rumored to be more then that of the entire marine corps they should be. Their gold team was the baddest (SHUT YO MOUTH) unit out of SAS and SEALS and any special forces team out there.

4th. HANDS DOWN BUDS is by far the most difficult training you mentally and physically can go through. Not that any other training is weak by any means (and for anybody not just the average person there is not an easy special forces training in existence today) but BUDS is a beast in itself. It is a point where science and torture meet to grow individuals into a category of physical fitness that is far less then .01% of the planet. There were 136 people in my class and that was when phase one began. Even before that people were still dropping like flies and the real ordeal hadn't even started yet. When hell week hit, you thought people were playing a song on the bell. BUDS is world renowned for being the most difficult school out there and people from other countries have been known to desire or have put people threw BUDS because of that reason. 12 graduated total but only 6 of us from our ORIGIONAL group of 136 made it.
 
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bob the brit       11/20/2007 9:09:42 PM

 

Wow this thread has been very, very interesting reading to say the least. It took me awhile to read through the whole thing. There has been a lot of idiots (or wrong information), some pretty funny things, and some really good points! I think a lot of the arguments have deviated from the thread topic but I just wanted to throw my hat in the mix as taboo as that may be.


Although it is arguable whether or not you can compare the two and for plenty of reasons you can and for plenty reasons you can't but it has been done. Before I go into who is or isn't better the home of a Navy SEAL is the water and I don't care who you are you come into my house and you wont be able to touch me. Now the SAS are legendary and by legendary I mean bayonet his enemy in the chest pull his heart and take a bite out of it. (sound false huh?true story I've seen the video). Regardless the ranking goes like this undisputed and if anybody has a reason to be bias it's myself but I?m just being honest.


 1st-SAS


2nd-SEALS


3rd-is VERY very arguable. I do agree with the fact that Aussie is definitely close but in my personal opinion the Israeli special forces, are more then impressive. Naturally they should be there since the history of war involving their country outdates the UK and US put together. But that?s not what this thread is about.


First and second places are set in stone. There is not a JSOC GROUP in the US or military UNIT in the UK, Europe, the rest of the world that are more skilled. I would love to get detailed and throw out numbers and confuse the average reader with military jargon but the truth is this...You can't isolate SEALS to water nor can you do the same with the SAS to the desert. Regardless what their specialty is or was, training is far more extensive and encompasses a much broader variety then just that.


After reading some other comments here I definitely want to address a couple things as off subject as they may be. Although stupidity should not be dignified with a response ignorance is a complete different thing.


1st. Delta (SFOD-D) was molded after the SAS. There is a ton of internet space don?t waste any of it embarassing yourself with negative nonesense about DELTA.


2nd. I want to sum this up as easily as possible...The strongest ARMY based on numbers isn't American or British. It's Chinese and that is based purely on numbers. BUT you are only as good as your counter parts (air force and navy) in a combined effort. Conventional warfare is not the same as it once was where 2 sides faced off on a battle field, or in jungle or desert and caught bullets. In that scenario numbers were just as or almost as important as strategy. Now, (excluding urban warfare) larger countries do as much as they can from safety and distance to save lives and that is where technology is the arms race winner. You may have more people and more bullets then anybody else but if you don't have the necessary military support the strength of your army is garbage. So for what it's worth (man to man) China has the greater army.


3rd.  Overall SAS are ranked 1st  BUT DEVGRU under the Clinton administration were monsters and with an unconfirmed budget 1 year rumored to be more then that of the entire marine corps they should be. Their gold team was the baddest (SHUT YO MOUTH) unit out of SAS and SEALS and any special forces team out there.


4th. HANDS DOWN BUDS is by far the most difficult training you mentally and physically can go through. Not that any other training is weak by any means (and for anybody not just the average person there is not an easy special forces training in existence today) but BUDS is a beast in itself. It is a point where science and torture meet to grow individuals into a category of physical fitness that is far less then .01% of the planet. There were 136 people in my class and that was when phase one began. Even before that people were still dropping like flies and the real ordeal hadn't even started yet. When hell week hit, you thought people were playing a song on the bell. BUDS is world
 
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bob the brit       11/20/2007 10:21:48 PM




 



Wow this thread has been very, very interesting reading to say the least. It took me awhile to read through the whole thing. There has been a lot of idiots (or wrong information), some pretty funny things, and some really good points! I think a lot of the arguments have deviated from the thread topic but I just wanted to throw my hat in the mix as taboo as that may be.




Although it is arguable whether or not you can compare the two and for plenty of reasons you can and for plenty reasons you can't but it has been done. Before I go into who is or isn't better the home of a Navy SEAL is the water and I don't care who you are you come into my house and you wont be able to touch me. Now the SAS are legendary and by legendary I mean bayonet his enemy in the chest pull his heart and take a bite out of it. (sound false huh?true story I've seen the video). Regardless the ranking goes like this undisputed and if anybody has a reason to be bias it's myself but I?m just being honest.




 1st-SAS




2nd-SEALS




3rd-is VERY very arguable. I do agree with the fact that Aussie is definitely close but in my personal opinion the Israeli special forces, are more then impressive. Naturally they should be there since the history of war involving their country outdates the UK and US put together. But that?s not what this thread is about.




First and second places are set in stone. There is not a JSOC GROUP in the US or military UNIT in the UK, Europe, the rest of the world that are more skilled. I would love to get detailed and throw out numbers and confuse the average reader with military jargon but the truth is this...You can't isolate SEALS to water nor can you do the same with the SAS to the desert. Regardless what their specialty is or was, training is far more extensive and encompasses a much broader variety then just that.




After reading some other comments here I definitely want to address a couple things as off subject as they may be. Although stupidity should not be dignified with a response ignorance is a complete different thing.




1st. Delta (SFOD-D) was molded after the SAS. There is a ton of internet space don?t waste any of it embarassing yourself with negative nonesense about DELTA.




2nd. I want to sum this up as easily as possible...The strongest ARMY based on numbers isn't American or British. It's Chinese and that is based purely on numbers. BUT you are only as good as your counter parts (air force and navy) in a combined effort. Conventional warfare is not the same as it once was where 2 sides faced off on a battle field, or in jungle or desert and caught bullets. In that scenario numbers were just as or almost as important as strategy. Now, (excluding urban warfare) larger countries do as much as they can from safety and distance to save lives and that is where technology is the arms race winner. You may have more people and more bullets then anybody else but if you don't have the necessary military support the strength of your army is garbage. So for what it's worth (man to man) China has the greater army.




3rd.  Overall SAS are ranked 1st  BUT DEVGRU under the Clinton administration were monsters and with an unconfirmed budget 1 year rumored to be more then that of the entire marine corps they should be. Their gold team was the baddest (SHUT YO MOUTH) unit out of SAS and SEALS and any special forces team out there.




4th. HANDS DOWN BUDS is by far the most difficult training you mentally and physically can go through. Not that any other training is weak by any means (and for anybody not just the average person there is not an easy special forces training in existence today) but BUDS is a beast in itself. It is a point where science and torture meet to grow individua
 
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Ehran       11/21/2007 11:55:49 AM

Fair enough ehran. But I think we're both victims of that very human tendancy.


no argument there dk it comes with being human.  the most i'd ever try to claim was to be reasonably unbiased on a particular subject.  it's also about as much as i'd credit anyone else with being barring evidence of sainthood in the offing
 
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