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Subject: NAVY SEALS VS BRITISH SAS
LJ813    7/1/2005 9:34:17 PM
I WILL GO FOR THE NAVY..
 
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bob the brit       12/11/2007 11:46:44 AM







All this talk of fanboys, chew on this... some muppet once tried it on for size durng a little chit chat with me. 'Twas at his wedding [me missus knew the bride, or something like that], and during the after dinner drinks, I got talking with him. He pulled out the 'ex-regiment' card and for the whole conversation told me about all his escapades across the globe with the 22's. I thought it was golden, absolutely golden, and I decided not to say anything [didn't need to quiz, he was a stand out from the start]. Later on I went up to the bride as I had forgot to congratulate her after the ceremony at the church. I casually [and with a huge grin] made mention of her new hubby's previous career, to which she replied, "that f**king sod tries that one on with everybody he doesn't know, idiot's only ever worked at Tesco's". Anyway, later on in the night, the best man got everyone to gather again, he stood up and outed the groom as nothing but a shelf stacker and produce manager at Tesco's. Half the men in the tent [the reception was held in a marque] started lauging and it turned out he had gone around the whole night telling people he didn't know that he used to be SF. I almost cried laughing that night.



Haha you have got to be kidding me.  I would have loved to be there to see that, you must be a blast to hang out with at the bar.  Or maybe all those tough ex-SAS guys have scared you away?  I'm still trying to find out where you even get the time to go out drinking actually, since according to the movies all you guys seem to do after retiring is land jobs with shady private-sector types and jet around the world causing mayhem of the highest degree.

SOF bragging is just another outlet of national pride I suppose, like sports but without the scorecards.  Since 99% of what goes on you isn't ever going to be known to those on the outside, you can make things up all day long and nobody can prove you wrong.  Until you run into some guy named Bob at a wedding at least...


James Bond finds the time to whet his whistle does he not?. I'm practically retired now static. I have been continually working for an old friend of mine at his company, but i'm not on the clock as it were. If i were, I probably wouldn't be on this site at various hours of the day. No I'm not one with a need for earning money anymore, I get along just fine. As for being in the private-sector on BG detail or something like that, 'twas never my cup of tea, all very boring [BG detail that is]. Not to mention my ankle likely wouldn't permit anymore "fast lane" work, hence I had a job in the 'office' towards the end of my tenure at the lines. Suprisingly, that lad at his wedding is the only person I've met that tried to pull the ex-regiment nonsense. As for all the ex-SF's in the bars, I believe Downing street had a law passed that every pub in England must have at least one regular who was once in the regiment and had been on the roof during the visit to number 16 knightsbridge road.
 
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USbsdKiwi    SAS better?   12/11/2007 1:10:48 PM
I think we can agree that a lot of the stuff put out in print has a certain amount of embellishment and one or two books have been utterly unfactual. I should point out though, that Mike Cockburn as previously mentioned, had extraordinary difficulty getting his experiences about Bravo Two Zero published due to clauses in his contract with the British MoD. The account differs a little from Andy McNabb's account, as did Chris Ryans'.
 
I've met one or two ex-SAS chaps, and I never would have guessed unless it wasn't told to me. They're often the most unlikely characters, and they certainly never brag or discuss their activities with just anyone.
 
As for the Brit's getting it over the Americans in training exercises...we'll never know.
 
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USbsdKiwi    SAS better?   12/11/2007 1:13:01 PM
I think we can agree that a lot of the stuff put out in print has a certain amount of embellishment and one or two books have been utterly unfactual. I should point out though, that Mike Cockburn as previously mentioned, had extraordinary difficulty getting his experiences about Bravo Two Zero published due to clauses in his contract with the British MoD. The account differs a little from Andy McNabb's account, as did Chris Ryans'.
 
I've met one or two ex-SAS chaps, and I never would have guessed unless it wasn't told to me. They're often the most unlikely characters, and they certainly never brag or discuss their activities with just anyone.
 
As for the Brit's getting it over the Americans in training exercises...we'll never know.
 
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bob the brit       12/11/2007 3:00:42 PM

I think we can agree that a lot of the stuff put out in print has a certain amount of embellishment and one or two books have been utterly unfactual. I should point out though, that Mike Cockburn as previously mentioned, had extraordinary difficulty getting his experiences about Bravo Two Zero published due to clauses in his contract with the British MoD. The account differs a little from Andy McNabb's account, as did Chris Ryans'.

 

I've met one or two ex-SAS chaps, and I never would have guessed unless it wasn't told to me. They're often the most unlikely characters, and they certainly never brag or discuss their activities with just anyone.

 

As for the Brit's getting it over the Americans in training exercises...we'll never know.


"mike cockburn" experianced difficulty getting his book out because of having signed a rectangular, white piece of dried pulp with lots of big words on it saying he would not publicate any kind information about his service with the regiment. NOT because every word in his book was true. I have not read his book, which claims to set the story straight, and even if I did, I was not there thus would be unable to validate his writing, however, I did hear some of the key parts of the official DeeBee, and I know that editors have a knack for using read pens on otherwise factual accounts in order to propel books to the top of the bestsellers list which ends up affording them a wee bit more pocket change.
"As for the Brit's getting it over the Americans in training exercises...we'll never know."
 
there were times a plenty when we "brits" outclassed our american counterparts. There were equall times when they did it to us. As for what kinds of exercise each outclassed the other at... well that will have to go down in history in a shroud of secrecy .
 
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Ehran       12/12/2007 12:46:21 PM
when i was young man i used to eat at a lunch bar where one of the regulars was a vietnam vet.  got to gassing with him one day and he tells me this lovely tale of derring do and heroism all while being suitably modest.  trouble was that it was the plot from a recently released novel.  he couldn't even tell me what his serial number was and i've never met anyone who was in an army that didn't seem have that number engraved on the backs of their eyelids.  you have to wonder why people do crap like that.
 
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Old Grunt       12/12/2007 1:51:05 PM
The Army sent me to work with the OKARNG for a few years.  During that time I discovered that every single prior service individual, male or female, had spent time with either the "Green Berets", SEALs, Delta, Rangers, and/or some other organization "that cannot be named".  Had one guy spend about an hour regaling me with his exploits with the 4th Special Forces Ranger Mountain Infantry Division in Italy.  I actually had this girl sporting a huge "Mess with the Best..." tattoo tell me how the movie "GI Jane" was actually based on her exploits with Army Special Forces.  Of course she embarrassed the guys by showing them up so badly they made her leave the Army, and that's why the movie uses the SEALs, because the Army threatened to sue the producers. 
 
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bob the brit       12/12/2007 4:30:22 PM

The Army sent me to work with the OKARNG for a few years.  During that time I discovered that every single prior service individual, male or female, had spent time with either the "Green Berets", SEALs, Delta, Rangers, and/or some other organization "that cannot be named".  Had one guy spend about an hour regaling me with his exploits with the 4th Special Forces Ranger Mountain Infantry Division in Italy.  I actually had this girl sporting a huge "Mess with the Best..." tattoo tell me how the movie "GI Jane" was actually based on her exploits with Army Special Forces.  Of course she embarrassed the guys by showing them up so badly they made her leave the Army, and that's why the movie uses the SEALs, because the Army threatened to sue the producers. 


bloody hell, sounds like Oklahoma's got the guards to beat all guards.
 
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dirtykraut       12/12/2007 10:50:55 PM
I guess men feel that their "service" in an SOF unit impresses the ladies. I've always wondered why, as most women really don't really know the difference between special forces and the conventional military. Marines tend to get the most women here (must be those uniforms), while us army guys get turned down more than the beds at the Holiday Inn. However, I'd imagine that if you told a lefty of your service in an attempt to impress her, you might get a ration of crap, and have to listen to stories about power-hungry oil grubbing neocons and zionist conspiracies.
 
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GOP       12/13/2007 1:52:22 AM

I guess men feel that their "service" in an SOF unit impresses the ladies. I've always wondered why, as most women really don't really know the difference between special forces and the conventional military. Marines tend to get the most women here (must be those uniforms), while us army guys get turned down more than the beds at the Holiday Inn. However, I'd imagine that if you told a lefty of your service in an attempt to impress her, you might get a ration of crap, and have to listen to stories about power-hungry oil grubbing neocons and zionist conspiracies.


If some dude needs to be a SOF poser (or heck, even tell his real exploits in SOF) to pick up women, then he most likely has no personality or looks and sucks at life.
 
Well, with my current goals to go into law enforcement, I'll have the opposite problem. Everyone hates cops, so me bragging about being a police officer would probably end with me getting turned down everytime, or spit on/shot/stabbed/etc
 
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Horsesoldier       12/13/2007 12:02:15 PM

 

 



If some dude needs to be a SOF poser (or heck, even tell his real exploits in SOF) to pick up women, then he most likely has no personality or looks and sucks at life.
 
The number of women who've been hit on by "Green Berets," "SEALs," "Rangers," or whatever in bars is probably sufficiently high that every operator in SOCOM would have to spend 5-6 months out of the year on TDY at the club and singles bars to give the situation any reality.   
Well, with my current goals to go into law enforcement, I'll have the opposite problem. Everyone hates cops, so me bragging about being a police officer would probably end with me getting turned down everytime, or spit on/shot/stabbed/etc
 
The guys who are in LE who post on here can probably clarify, but I basically get the sense that women who like guys in uniform usually include liking guys in cop uniforms as well as military uniforms . . .
 
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