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Subject: NAVY SEALS VS BRITISH SAS
LJ813    7/1/2005 9:34:17 PM
I WILL GO FOR THE NAVY..
 
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Horsesoldier    RE:NAVY SEALS VS BRITISH SAS - Patriot-Brit   10/31/2005 6:32:19 PM
>>No, the key to their abilities in British service, is due to those we choose to take home with us. I have seen a documentary on the British advisers over there holding recruitment sessions, and entire villages turn up for it. In British service they get payed better than they do anywhere else remember, and only the fittest get chosen.<< As I pointed out, they have a very high rejection rate -- something in the range of 98-99% turned down. But the selection process only looks at physical fitness and determination. Being dropped into a first-rate modern military setting counts for much as well -- not just British officers, but the whole institutional culture of the British Army. >>I would deeply like to see us expand the numbers of Gurkhas we recruit, even if it meant their standards dropping slightly, and perhaps form them into a battalion of a possible British foreign legion or somesuch.<< No need for a foreign legion, insofar as the Gurkhas are concerned. Just de-amalgamate the current regimental identity back to its some or all of its post-1947 component lineages. Or just increase the number of battalions under the current regimental identity.
 
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Horsesoldier    RE:NAVY SEALS VS BRITISH SAS - Patriot-Brit   10/31/2005 6:41:09 PM
>>P.S. is it just india that has ghurkas besides the uk - i ask this because i used to go to a british school in singapore and just after 9/11 the school had developed a slight fear of terrorisim (so did many others but thats another story) and managed to get some ghurka's to guard the school (despite advice by some qualified parents not to bother) im pretty sure they were ghurkas i mean they carried the Khukri(sp) and were definately nepalese yet their uniform looked more similar to sinagore police/civil defence that brit army. << The UK and India use them as part of their military establishments; the Sultan of Brunei "rents" a battalion from the UK. But they are also notable (well, former Gurkhas) in the realm of Private Military Corporations doing the kind of security work you mentioned. A number were killed in Afghanistan some time back during a bombing in Kabul doing the same sort of site security work.
 
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Liver    RE:horsesoldier   11/1/2005 3:20:46 AM
cheers i thought this might have been the case but i didnt think they would have worn the uniforms they did (thats what threw me)
 
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S.C.P    RE:NAVY SEALS VS BRITISH SAS   11/3/2005 4:18:31 PM
The British SAS full length selection is 6 months!
 
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S.C.P    RE:NAVY SEALS VS BRITISH SAS Patriot Brit!   11/3/2005 4:20:02 PM
Tell Me, what happened and when did 2 SEALs kill 2 brits when trying to break into a prison ?
 
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S.C.P    RE:NAVY SEALS VS BRITISH SAS - Patriot-Brit   11/3/2005 4:28:41 PM
I think its fair to say that SEALs and SBS are equal, and Delta and SAS are equal in terms of training and toughness. Although I think possibaly the Brits have the edge when it comes to fitness, All the way from regualr troops. Training is shared and doe together a hell of alot by US and UK specaial forces anyway. The Royal Marine Commandos arn't specail forces as such but they don't half come close!. Even more so as they adapt for new types of warfare, them and the British Paras are about on par with the US Green Berets and Rangers. The SBS would be my top SOF. They only recruit from the Royal Marine Commandos anyway, and thats tough enough. By the way did anyone hear about the Royal Navy/Marines drug bust in the Carrabian. The Smugglers tried to out run the Lynx helecopter in a speed boat so two Royal Marine Snipers shot out the four engines on their boat with .50cal sniper rifles. Not an easy thing to shoot, a speed boats engines on a rough Sea from 300ft up in a chopper... Oh and they caught all 4 of the smugglers, they had £200m worth of Cocain!
 
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Horsesoldier    RE:NAVY SEALS VS BRITISH SAS - Patriot-Brit   11/3/2005 4:39:35 PM
>>I think its fair to say that SEALs and SBS are equal, and Delta and SAS are equal in terms of training and toughness. Although I think possibaly the Brits have the edge when it comes to fitness, All the way from regualr troops. Training is shared and doe together a hell of alot by US and UK specaial forces anyway.<< Fitness is basically a bottomless hole of a p*ssing contest, but I'm not inclined to think that the SAS is any more physically fit than Delta, and vice versa. All those guys are playing at the top of their games, or they would not be where they are, to include their PT. >>The Royal Marine Commandos arn't specail forces as such but they don't half come close!. Even more so as they adapt for new types of warfare, them and the British Paras are about on par with the US Green Berets and Rangers.<< Paras are perhaps comparable to US Rangers. Most certainly not in any way comparable to Special Forces -- and nor should they be, since UK Paras are conventional light infantry that happen to jump out of airplanes (the same can be said of US rangers). SF is rather more unconventional and more in line with the SAS as a nearest UK equivalent -- and there are certainly SF ODAs that can perform every bit as well as comparable SAS units. The recurrent SAS/Delta comparison is based primarily on numbers and Delta's selection being derived from the SAS, but US Special Forces have always carried out mission types comparable to what the SAS does. >>By the way did anyone hear about the Royal Navy/Marines drug bust in the Carrabian. The Smugglers tried to out run the Lynx helecopter in a speed boat so two Royal Marine Snipers shot out the four engines on their boat with .50cal sniper rifles. Not an easy thing to shoot, a speed boats engines on a rough Sea from 300ft up in a chopper...<< The US Coast Guard does it routinely -- and the shooting is done by aircraft mechanics/crew chiefs (with some additional training, to be sure).
 
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stratego    RE:NAVY SEALS VS BRITISH SAS - Patriot-Brit   12/8/2005 11:17:27 PM
"The Gurkhas are tough blokes, one of the main reasons they do so well is because they are commanded by British officers!" And to think I was starting to think you were a biased fool! Astute point!
 
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Ehran    RE:NAVY SEALS VS BRITISH SAS - Patriot-Brit   12/9/2005 12:38:08 PM
believe they changed the rules to allow ghurka officers in the ghurka units which from the article i read had been something of a sore point with them.
 
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PeregrinePike    RE:NAVY SEALS VS BRITISH SAS - Patriot-Brit   12/9/2005 12:38:29 PM
A couple of points on Gurkhas: 1. As mentioned earlier Gurkhas go into three armies -- British (get the pick), Indians (second shot) and Nepalese (witness why these Gurkhas cant put down a bunch of Maoist school teachers, but could make Nazis p!ss in their pants). 2. The PMCs mainly pick up ex-UK Gurkhas mainly because UK Gurkhas have better reputation and training, and retire earlier than Indian ones. Also the end of Hong Kong freed up hundreds (if not thousands) of pretty good Gurkhas (obviously not the best ones who were picked up by Royal Army). They form the bulk of present day Gurkhas in PMC market. 3. British Gurkhas constitute about 12,000 men total; Indian have about 60,000 Gorkhas. Brits have only Neapalese Gurkhas, Indians have both Neaplese and Indian Gorkhas. 4. The Special Frontier Force Gorkhas (5th Gorkha Rifles) are easily as good as any British Gorkha... with the added virtue of being able to think on their own feet. And curiously enough this regiment has a higher concentration of Indian-born Gorkhas than Neaplese. 5. Personally I would hate having to serve with our modern day equivalents of Myrmidiones, but if I had to it would be with SFF. But dinnah worry there are enough Achilles' in Indian Army to make appointment to the Gorkha Rifles a supposed "prestige", and there is no way I will ever be allowed near them... to the mutual happiness of all parties concerned ;-)
 
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