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Subject: NAVY SEALS VS BRITISH SAS
LJ813    7/1/2005 9:34:17 PM
I WILL GO FOR THE NAVY..
 
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jake da brit       1/23/2010 4:53:01 PM

You're comparing the entirety of the SAS's training to the basic PST of the SEAL's.



Now why don't look at the bigger picture.



The majority of potential SEALs pass the PST. Wherein they then move on to the First Phase of BUD/S.



First Phase is where the majority of SEAL candidates DOR; roughly 70% on average. On some cases it has been 100%.



After First Phase are the Second and Third phases, which I'm not going to go into right now.



By the way, all US Military combat personnell go through SERE, which resembles the "Escape and Evasion" training you were talking about. 



The SAS also conduct Domestic as well as Foreign Counter-Terrorism.



But the SAS tend to be specialists, whereas the SEALs tend to be generalists.



The SAS are extremely good at getting deep into restricted areas. I can give them credit for that.



The SEALs operate on many more platforms however:

Counter-Terrorism

Unconventional Warfare

Foreign Internal Defense

Direct Action

Special Reconnaissance

Personnell recovery

Security

 



As you can see, the SEALs are much more versatile than the SAS. This tends to lend them an enormous amount of experience, as they have the skills and capabilities to do almost anything with competence. This however, makes the SAS "experts" in their fields of expertise. This leads people to the assumption that the SAS is the best SF in the world simply because they are extremely competent in one or two areas. The SEALs however, can be considered competent enough beat the enemy in almost any way. They're much more versatile, and who you consider better it depends on if you value versatility or invariability.





Let's look at the combat experience of both units.



SAS engagements:

World WarII

Malayan emergency

North Ireland (Domestic Terrorism/Revolution)

Falklands War

Iraq conflict

Afghanistan conflict

Israel hostage situation



SEAL engagements:

Vietnam War

Multi-National Force in Lebanon

Operation Urgent Fury

Achille Lauro high-jacking

Operation Just Cause

Operation Desert Storm

Operation Restore Hope

Battle of Mogadishu

Operation United Shield

Operation Red Wing

Operation Enduring Freedom

Operation Iraqi Freedom

Operation High Pursuit



As you can see, the SEALs resume is much more extensive. Mostly accorded to the fact that they are much more versatile than the SAS. The SEALs however also go through what's considered by many as the toughest military training in the world; making SEALs one of the most versatile and well-trained units in the world.

Sure, the SAS is well-trained, but the SEALs have the edge due to their versatile skill set. Making the Navy SEALs one of the most respected and highly feared outfits on the planet.



Anyone willing to rebut?



sas does all this:
Counter-Terrorism
Unconventional Warfare
Foreign Internal Defense
Direct Action
Special Reconnaissance
Personnell recovery
Security
and

SEAL engagements:

Vietnam War

Multi-National Force in Lebanon

Operation Urgent Fury

Achille Lauro high-jacking

Operation Just Cause

Operation Desert Storm

Operation Restore Hope

 
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IrishCoyote    ?   2/4/2010 4:20:08 AM
You might as well have said, "I am a little girl who doesn't know anything about Spec Ops." Seals Train everyday, non stop for their entirety in the military. And all their pre-deployment training consists of 3years of some of the most specialized tactics in the world. I love how people sit at their computers and pick apart the finest killers in the world. And just remember Rambo was a Green Beret.
 
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NAVY_Family    WOW   2/5/2010 3:22:18 AM
Hey everyone. Has anyone else noticed how long this post has been going on?
Anyways, I thought it might be useful to the arguement if I added some info from the official NAVY recruiting site. Of course this info is for you guys. I'm staying out of this bc I really dont know enough about SAS to determine which is better. Also I'm not going to bc it's pointless seeing as SEALs and SAS are allies.

Minimum Entry Level Physical Fitness Test
  • Swim 500 Yards within 12:30
  • Rest 10:00
  • 42 push-ups within 2:00
  • Rest 2:00
  • 50 sit-ups within 2:00
  • Rest 2:00
  • 6 pull-ups (no time limit)
  • Rest 10:00
  • 1.5 mile run within 11:00
  • Wow, seems like a walk in the park... NOT!

    Training
  • BUD/S Indoctrination: (5 weeks — Coronado, CA)
  • BUD/S Phase I: Physical conditioning (2 months — Coronado, CA)
  • BUD/S Phase II: Diving (2 months — Coronado, CA)
  • BUD/S Phase III: Weapons, demolitions and small unit tactics (2 months — Coronado, CA)
  • Parachute Jump School: (1 month — Ft. Benning, GA)
  • Advanced Sea, Air and Land Training: (5 months — Coronado, CA)
  •  
    So... as you guys can see this is the training to becoming a SEAL. Not to say that this is all the training they do, but this is the trainging to become one. I'm sure they have a lot more training when they become SEALs for physical upkeep and keeping up to date with modern combat. Just to help some of you with the math that is 13 months and some change.
     
    Where people have been getting their facts I have no clue. Wikipedia... *caugh
     
    Hell, then again momma always said never trust a recruiter. So my info might be off too... so you never know.
     
    P.S.- If someone can post this same type of info for the SAS. Might help people argue some more.
     
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    NAVY_Family    WOW   2/5/2010 3:31:57 AM

    Hey everyone. Has anyone else noticed how long this post has been going on?

    Anyways, I thought it might be useful to the arguement if I added some info from the official NAVY recruiting site. Of course this info is for you guys. I'm staying out of this bc I really dont know enough about SAS to determine which is better. Also I'm not going to bc it's pointless seeing as SEALs and SAS are allies.



    Minimum Entry Level Physical Fitness Test


  • Swim 500 Yards within 12:30
  • Rest 10:00
  • 42 push-ups within 2:00
  • Rest 2:00
  • 50 sit-ups within 2:00
  • Rest 2:00
  • 6 pull-ups (no time limit)
  • Rest 10:00
  • 1.5 mile run within 11:00

  • Wow, seems like a walk in the park... NOT!


    Training


  • BUD/S Indoctrination: (5 weeks — Coronado, CA)
  • BUD/S Phase I: Physical conditioning (2 months — Coronado, CA)
  • BUD/S Phase II: Diving (2 months — Coronado, CA)
  • BUD/S Phase III: Weapons, demolitions and small unit tactics (2 months — Coronado, CA)
  • Parachute Jump School: (1 month — Ft. Benning, GA)
  • Advanced Sea, Air and Land Training: (5 months — Coronado, CA)

  •  

    So... as you guys can see this is the training to becoming a SEAL. Not to say that this is all the training they do, but this is the trainging to become one. I'm sure they have a lot more training when they become SEALs for physical upkeep and keeping up to date with modern combat. Just to help some of you with the math that is 13 months and some change.

     

    Where people have been getting their facts I have no clue. Wikipedia... *caugh

     

    Hell, then again momma always said never trust a recruiter. So my info might be off too... so you never know.

     

    P.S.- If someone can post this same type of info for the SAS. Might help people argue some more.


    Also I forgot the advanced training >.< 
  • Individual Specialty Training (6 months) while assigned to a SEAL Platoon or SDV Task Unit.
  • Unit Level Training while assigned to a SEAL platoon or SDV task unit (6 months).
  • Task Group Level Training (6 months) while assigned to a SEAL Platoon or SDV Task Unit.
  •  
    And with that said... 2 years 7 months and a week training... If all back to back with no time in between...
    Also i re add the comment... "I'm sure they have a lot more training when they become SEALs for physical upkeep and keeping up to date with modern combat."

    BTW... I did copy and paste... I do have a life.


     
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    NAVY_Family    WOW   2/5/2010 3:36:20 AM

    Hey everyone. Has anyone else noticed how long this post has been going on?

    Anyways, I thought it might be useful to the arguement if I added some info from the official NAVY recruiting site. Of course this info is for you guys. I'm staying out of this bc I really dont know enough about SAS to determine which is better. Also I'm not going to bc it's pointless seeing as SEALs and SAS are allies.



    Minimum Entry Level Physical Fitness Test


  • Swim 500 Yards within 12:30
  • Rest 10:00
  • 42 push-ups within 2:00
  • Rest 2:00
  • 50 sit-ups within 2:00
  • Rest 2:00
  • 6 pull-ups (no time limit)
  • Rest 10:00
  • 1.5 mile run within 11:00

  • Wow, seems like a walk in the park... NOT!


    Training


  • BUD/S Indoctrination: (5 weeks — Coronado, CA)
  • BUD/S Phase I: Physical conditioning (2 months — Coronado, CA)
  • BUD/S Phase II: Diving (2 months — Coronado, CA)
  • BUD/S Phase III: Weapons, demolitions and small unit tactics (2 months — Coronado, CA)
  • Parachute Jump School: (1 month — Ft. Benning, GA)
  • Advanced Sea, Air and Land Training: (5 months — Coronado, CA)

  •  

    So... as you guys can see this is the training to becoming a SEAL. Not to say that this is all the training they do, but this is the trainging to become one. I'm sure they have a lot more training when they become SEALs for physical upkeep and keeping up to date with modern combat. Just to help some of you with the math that is 13 months and some change.

     

    Where people have been getting their facts I have no clue. Wikipedia... *caugh

     

    Hell, then again momma always said never trust a recruiter. So my info might be off too... so you never know.

     

    P.S.- If someone can post this same type of info for the SAS. Might help people argue some more.


    Also I forgot the advanced training >.< 
  • Individual Specialty Training (6 months) while assigned to a SEAL Platoon or SDV Task Unit.
  • Unit Level Training while assigned to a SEAL platoon or SDV task unit (6 months).
  • Task Group Level Training (6 months) while assigned to a SEAL Platoon or SDV Task Unit.
  •  
    And with that said... 2 years 7 months and a week training... If all back to back with no time in between...
    Also i re add the comment... "I'm sure they have a lot more training when they become SEALs for physical upkeep and keeping up to date with modern combat."

    BTW... I did copy and paste... I do have a life.


     
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    NAVY_Family    WOW   2/5/2010 3:37:46 AM
    Sry for posting the same thing twice...
     
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    NAVY_Family       2/5/2010 3:42:26 AM
    Oh! And this, the last thing I'll post for now http://www.navy.com/about/navylife/onduty/seals/becomingaseal/ 
    So everyone knows this didn't come from an arse.
     
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    Bond500       2/15/2010 10:17:23 AM
    You are also forgetting Pre BUD/S which happens before that, after RTC is finished. Well i would like to say that i have taken the Entrance PST 3 times. Each time i passed it with ease, but not with the best scores. They are very simple things that most of America should honestly have Ease with. I have my SEALs Contract completed and in August i will be leaving for RTC and then off to Pre BUD/S and then BUD/S. When i am finished or maybe when I am doing the training, i will reply to you guys and let you know how its going and some of the things we go through.
     
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    Bond500       2/15/2010 10:18:53 AM

    You are also forgetting Pre BUD/S which happens before that, after RTC is finished. Well i would like to say that i have taken the Entrance PST 3 times. Each time i passed it with ease, but not with the best scores. They are very simple things that most of America should honestly have Ease with. I have my SEALs Contract completed and in August i will be leaving for RTC and then off to Pre BUD/S and then BUD/S. When i am finished or maybe when I am doing the training, i will reply to you guys and let you know how its going and some of the things we go through.


    Hmmmm, i guess i missed that BUD/S Indoc. my bad
     
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    rob.wright    really? reply to @ Patriot Brit   2/17/2010 8:26:36 AM
    .... i smell bias. you cannot compare the two simply because of the enemy overwhelming us. our SEALs were in CHINOOKs over known Taliban territory. they are known for guerilla warfare and that is ALL about knowing your surrounding for a possible flank or suprise attack. they knew the area.... they saw us.... they had RPGs. i do not dispute the skills of SAS's brilliant manner, but i will say that SEALs are much more well rounded.
    if i were the person of power, i would send SAS to clear a building with hostages... if I wanted grand scale war with covert ops spanning across a wide vareity of terrain, SEALs. Royal marines have been proven not to be more potent than SEALs and also, every operator is an individual. This is so variable that none can be compared unless you have sheer statistics regarding this matter. Basically, this thread is inconclusive... But if this is all about opinion, I am not denying you this, Patriot-Brit.
     
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