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Subject: US Army Rangers or Green Berets
GOP    8/1/2005 1:52:37 PM
Although the Rangers are considered a SOF group, they are basically highly trained light infantry (some consider them the best light infantry in the world). Green Berets are considered a more elite and more highly trained group, designed for DA, SR, and the training of foreign militaries/insurgent groups. I have two questions: 1) The US Army Rangers have, from what I have read, tougher training then the Green Berets. Is this true, and if so, how are the Green Berets more elite? 2) If your goal is to be in Delta force, which of the two organizations would be the better choice to get to Delta? The Rangers work with Delta force alot as a blocking/security force, and the Green Berets are more of a classical special ops group.
 
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moughoun1    RE:US Army Rangers or Green Berets - Hist_ed   9/25/2005 11:10:29 AM
"Can you please explain to me what PJ's and CCT teams do? What do they specialize in, what is their primary mission, etc? I have tried to research them, but I can't find anything about them that is worth noting" CCT are Combat Controller Team's, they are highly trained CAS specilist's, they can also control the air traffic over a combat airspace, a very difficult job, they also act a ATC at FOB's as they are FAA qualifes air traffic controller's, they also go through extensive land warfare training and dive and HALO&HAHO MFF, PJ's or their official title,Pararescue men, are CSAR specilist's, they rescue shot down pilot's and destroy sensitive material on shot down aircraft, they also carry out a peacetime SAR role for both civil and military need's, they are fully certified paramedic's, infact to a higher degree then most SOF's medic's, they get trained in landwarfare and dive and HALO&HAHO., plus both do lot's and lot's more mission's. btw don't forget the CWT......combat weather team's, they collect the weather for sof's, the CCT's, PJ's and CWT are all considered AF special op's, I believe it's the 24th SOS that's the main support for the tier 1 unit's, CAG and DEVGRU
 
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moughoun1    RE:US Army Rangers or Green Berets - Hist_ed   9/25/2005 11:11:46 AM
ps, sorry for all the acronym's
 
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EW3    RE:US Army Rangers or Green Berets - GOP   9/25/2005 12:22:34 PM
Sounds like you are better off going the Army route, USMA if possible, if not Army ROTC. Army offers the most options. Also I'd start out as an officer, rather then enlisted if at all possible. Get that degree first. If you go through the USNA as Navy with the intention of going to BUDS, and something happens, you have very few options. You could also wind up as an ensign on a carrier, which would really make you unhappy. If you do decide to go to the USNA, do it as a Marine. That will give you a lot more options. Make sure all your plan 'A's have plan 'B's and even plan 'C's.
 
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GOP    RE:US Army Rangers or Green Berets - GOP   9/25/2005 3:32:36 PM
>"If you go through the USNA as Navy with the intention of going to BUDS, and something happens, you have very few options."< I am not going into the Navy, at least, I don't want to right now. If I get injured at BUDs (I am a big guy, I could suffer stress fractures in training), I don't want to be on a ship. The US Army has a ton of opportunities. Heck, even if I don't make into USASOC or Bn then I can always go to the 82nd, become an officer, or just be a combat infantrymen. The Marines are awesome, but they don't have any really high speed Spec Ops other than Force Recon, which I have heard aren't as good as SF. The USAF is good, they have the PJ's and CCT's, so they are an option. I am young, I am not sure exactly what I want to do, other than be in the military as some form of infantrymen or SOF soldier (I have wanted to be in the military all of my life). I have a ways to go before I join the military, but I am just trying to learn as much as I can so I can make a educated decision when I am 18 or out of college.
 
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EW3    RE:US Army Rangers or Green Berets - GOP   9/25/2005 5:56:03 PM
Just a bit of advice. If for some reason you don't get into West Point go to college anyway. I'm sure the Army has many programs to suit someone like you and they probably will pay the tab for school. During the summer you get to train with the Army, and try different things. Reason I stress this, is like many people I went in as enlisted and never got around to college for 15 years. Better to go in as an officer than plan to do it later. Later has a habit if being later than you think. Till then lots of swimming and long distance running, build up your endurance and stamina.
 
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GOP    RE:US Army Rangers or Green Berets - EW3   9/25/2005 8:14:02 PM
I am very afraid of being an officer. I have heard that the officers in SF and other SOF units only get to be on a team for 24 months or less, then they are doing staff work like filing paperwork, etc. If I go enlisted, then I will still have a oppurtunity to to lead a ODA (in SF) and not get stuck with a staff job. I really do want to go to college, though, regardless of the military. I have a desire to learn and be as succesful as possible, so college is very important to me. My college is already payed for and money is not an issue, so I will probably go to the University of Alabama and go in the Army ROTC program
 
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EW3    RE:US Army Rangers or Green Berets - GOP   9/25/2005 8:20:55 PM
Don't worry junior officers go in the field. It isn't to you're a plump 0-5 or even O-6 or above that you won't be as active. That's 15 years of jumping out of planes into jungles. That's enough for most people. ;) By then they want to use your mind to teach others and formulate plans. And by then you'll be ready for it. But as an 0-1 or 0-2 you will likely be first out the door.
 
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EW3    RE:US Army Rangers or Green Berets - GOP   9/25/2005 9:03:06 PM
Just a brief followup - the head of an A-team is an O-3.
 
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GOP    RE:US Army Rangers or Green Berets - GOP   9/25/2005 10:25:43 PM
Well, if I have 15 years, then I would be happy. What exactly do junior officers do in the infantry world?
 
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EW3    RE:US Army Rangers or Green Berets - GOP   9/25/2005 10:39:30 PM
I will leave that to the Army guys. Only know what they do in the Navy. But I suspect an O-1 in the GB or Rangers or 82 or whatever will see plenty of the stuff you want. In BUDS and there SERE training officers are singled out to make sure they make the grade. They get it 2x as bad as any enlisted guy. The USAF Major in my SERE class got it really bad. My favorite character in SERE school was a Navy chief. He had a distinct southern accent. He'd break out of his little cage, time and time again. Then the camp people (supposed to be VC and they were good at it) would yell at him, and he'd respond in the slowest southern drawl, "You'll wanted me to stay in that little box?". They'd scream some more and say "give me 20 pushups". He'd respond very quickly "Sorry there boss, can't do what you say" This chief kept morale up for many of us. Leadership! (He was UDT going on SEAL) Wish I knew the mans name so I could thank him, and buy him many beers. He kept me going. Between waterboarding and the beatings I was pretty bad off. And then their were the mini-boxes that they would put you in and then drop a snake in. I still can't look at a garter snake without freeking out.
 
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