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Subject: Trainers On Trial
SYSOP    4/13/2014 11:37:58 AM
 
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trenchsol       4/13/2014 2:13:43 PM
As far as I understand there are regular units, elite units and special forces. Regular units fight the conventional way, doing typical soldier jobs. Elite units do the same, only better. Special forces are using special equipment and tactics, often doing things that are not traditional military tasks.
 
As far as I know, both special forces and some of elite units are part of SOCOM. Elite units often act as special forces support.
 
It is not quite clear from the article is there an increase in SOCOM numbers in general, or just special operations part of it.
 
 
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dogberry       4/13/2014 3:44:14 PM
Going from 590K to 440K is a 25 percent cut on my HP10b.
 
The Armor cuts are 20 percent.
  
 
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ker    Compairson Group   4/14/2014 12:44:12 PM
When you don't like a group or program you compair it to so imagined platoni ideal. SOCOM trained employees of foren goverments are expected to live up to the standard of John Lenons song Imagine. / When other groups and programs are antagonistic to the ones you don't like standards are different. Those who dedecate much of their life flinging buggers at SOCOM training programes and pride them selves on getting arested at what was the School of the Americas don't have much to say about Russian and Irainan trainers in Syria. To maximise their attack on U.S. trainers they pretend the other sides trainers don't exist. Any awarenes of Quds Force would argue for the need for U.S. suport to endangered countrys and worse allow a realist compairison of methods and results. I would hypothosize that a good statistical study would show that SOCOM training reduces use and abuse of force by the militairy being trained. More importantly it reduces violance in the country even more. I am thinking of averages acrost all recepaint countrys. I am thinking about compairison between time periods when a country was reciving SOCOM training and periods when it was not, as well as compairions between countrys with the most similer historys and challenges so the the real effects of interventions can be isolated. / Some people might say we should defund the fire department because every time they go to a home it burns down. Well we know that's because the fire department don't waste resources going to homes that arn't already on fire. Let's reconize that it's dishonest to say SOCOM causes the problems they respond to. / I think U.S. policy has failings. One example is putting all our eggs in one basket by backing a bigman leader in Iraq and AF. Rather than gaining "legitasmy" from the local presedent we just gave them a licence to shake us down and play all sides against each other. Once we state that one man is our "ligitamacy" in country we put the big man in a position where he can't resist running a bidding war between America and her enemys for his retorical and procegural suport. Seeking a friend and good PR we make an enemy who's < source of power is distroying our PR. He gets paid by our enemys for helping them and he gets paid by us as we keep trying to look responcive the the peoples needs by putting more big $ in big mans Swiss bank accounts. The big man uses his relationship with the Americans to steal more from the people who arn't his clan and blaims America to force us to up foren aid administered by him chasing national unity that's not in his best interests. We need multipul relationships with multipul political partys and faction expresed at all levels of goverment and cival society (to the extent there is any) so that any one shaking us down can be cut off with out giving up on the whole country or even generating a two day press story. We are dumb to ever get into the bind where our client cares less for his countrys survival than we do. We need a bench of replacement clients. Some just won't make the cut and none should think they are more important to use than we are to them. / If you owe the bank $10k it's your problem but if you owe the bank $10 million it's the banks problem. America needs to "loan" a million people $10k and never again loan two guys a $triolion each. Figurativly speaking. / So forming lots of relationships with posible future partners incountrys that arn't topping the trama charts now/yet is very important. /
 
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