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Subject: British kill, murder, slaughter two Danish soldiers in Afghanistan
eldnah    12/19/2007 5:46:41 PM
Topic modified from one posted by Adam B. Just read the report in the British papers. I wonder if statistcs are available on the amount ordnance per friendly fire death expended by the Americans as compared with the amount expended by the Brits. Are we allowed to disparge the Brits the way the Brits pissed on the Yanks when they caused "Blue" deaths?
 
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Yimmy       12/19/2007 6:21:35 PM
Is that an axe I hear grinding?


 
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flamingknives       12/20/2007 3:40:54 AM
Well, "murder" is hardly a fair charge, considering that requires intent, so would require that the British soldiers deliberately fired upon the Danes, knowing that they were Danish.

Slaughter doesn't exactly fit either.

"Kill"? Well, it looks that way. I guess we'll have to wait on the findings of the investigations as to the circumstances. Then, if we do have some kind of fault, you can disparage that.

I don't think that you can yet disparage us for withholding information or claiming that it didn't happen.
 
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paul1970       12/20/2007 4:38:11 AM
Adam tends to jump up and down supporting all British things and plays down anyone elses.. he is not exactly objective....:-)
 
all friendly fire is regretable and all efforts should be made to avoid it. but it will always happen where there is combat. it can be lessened with more training and better coordination but can never be eliminated.
 
Paul
 
 
 
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FJV       12/20/2007 6:37:31 AM
Lets hope that when it turns out the British soldiers made a mistake, they don't get the bucket of $%^$ dumped on them that usually is reserved for Americans when friendly fire accidents happen.

As for disparaging the Brits or Americans, I don't have a ideological axe to grind.



 
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Yimmy       12/20/2007 9:17:35 AM
It's been a while since I read an account of what happened, however I believe it was a Javelin missile which flew over the Taliban position and into the Dane position.  Being a fire and forget missile, which has a reputation for doing some odd things, it could just as easily be a missile fault as the fault of the gunner.


 
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Panther       12/21/2007 7:17:38 PM
Sadly, it was rather unbecoming for some of the British who seemed to have had a gloating tendency to rub our faces in it! I certainly don't think we should return the favor, "especially when there were plenty of cooler heads across the pond", who did not sink to the level of knee jerk reaction, as perpetrated by only a few of their countrymen! Personally, i don't have an axe to grind, and don't think it really would advance the discussion one single bit, by playing that type of game?
 
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Heorot       1/2/2008 5:56:17 PM
If it was a Javelin, then we can still pin the blame on the Yanks then. Cool!


 
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perfectgeneral       1/4/2008 11:58:17 AM
Smurf porn is always to be regretted. I don't think it should ever be a political football. Where mistakes have been made they should be sought out without preconceptions in order to prevent a repetition  of a  blue on blue incident.
 
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Yimmy       1/4/2008 1:19:08 PM
Yeah but you just know that blonde smurfette had a healthy sex life, I mean, she was the only bird amongst how many dudes?


 
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AdamB       1/10/2008 1:11:13 PM

Topic modified from one posted by Adam B. Just read the report in the British papers. I wonder if statistcs are available on the amount ordnance per friendly fire death expended by the Americans as compared with the amount expended by the Brits. Are we allowed to disparge the Brits the way the Brits pissed on the Yanks when they caused "Blue" deaths?


The difference between Britain and American is that deaths caused by British friendly fire is extremely rare, whereas deaths caused by American friendly fire is extremely common.
 
Friendly fire cannot be completely eradicated, but the Americans just do it to extremes.
 
Even British soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan must stake giant Union Flags to the crowd and put up big signs saying "Americans.  We are friendly. Do not shoot!"
 
The reason why the Americans are more averse to causing friendly than the British and other nations is a mixture of Americans soldiers and airmen being extremely trigger happy (never trust any American with a deadly weapon in their hands) and the lack of brains between their ears.
 
In my experience, many British soldiers are very intelligent, whereas there American counterparts are often brain-dead robots who thinik they can kill everything that moves.
 
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EssexBoy       1/10/2008 1:59:05 PM



Topic modified from one posted by Adam B. Just read the report in the British papers. I wonder if statistcs are available on the amount ordnance per friendly fire death expended by the Americans as compared with the amount expended by the Brits. Are we allowed to disparge the Brits the way the Brits pissed on the Yanks when they caused "Blue" deaths?



The difference between Britain and American is that deaths caused by British friendly fire is extremely rare, whereas deaths caused by American friendly fire is extremely common.

 

Friendly fire cannot be completely eradicated, but the Americans just do it to extremes.

 

Even British soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan must stake giant Union Flags to the crowd and put up big signs saying "Americans.  We are friendly. Do not shoot!"

 

The reason why the Americans are more averse to causing friendly than the British and other nations is a mixture of Americans soldiers and airmen being extremely trigger happy (never trust any American with a deadly weapon in their hands) and the lack of brains between their ears.

 

In my experience, many British soldiers are very intelligent, whereas there American counterparts are often brain-dead robots who thinik they can kill everything that moves.


On behalf of the British nation I would like to apologise to Americans everywhere for the total and utter crap that AdamB has posted.
 
 
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Armchair Private       1/10/2008 6:41:31 PM



Topic modified from one posted by Adam B. Just read the report in the British papers. I wonder if statistcs are available on the amount ordnance per friendly fire death expended by the Americans as compared with the amount expended by the Brits. Are we allowed to disparge the Brits the way the Brits pissed on the Yanks when they caused "Blue" deaths?



The difference between Britain and American is that deaths caused by British friendly fire is extremely rare, whereas deaths caused by American friendly fire is extremely common.

 

Friendly fire cannot be completely eradicated, but the Americans just do it to extremes.

 

Even British soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan must stake giant Union Flags to the crowd and put up big signs saying "Americans.  We are friendly. Do not shoot!"

 

The reason why the Americans are more averse to causing friendly than the British and other nations is a mixture of Americans soldiers and airmen being extremely trigger happy (never trust any American with a deadly weapon in their hands) and the lack of brains between their ears.

 

In my experience, many British soldiers are very intelligent, whereas there American counterparts are often brain-dead robots who thinik they can kill everything that moves.

Adam,

The human mind deals with an immense amount of information every second, every minute, every day. In fact, it deals with so much information that it is totally impossible for your conscious mind to deal with even a tiny percent.

One of the tricks the human mind uses to circumvent this is to fill in the gaps in your conscious perception (the voice in your head) with shortcuts. One of the best recognised of these shortcuts, is prejudice.

Prejudice. You don't need to know much Latin to see you can break that word down into Pre (meaning before) Justice.

It simply means that you make a Judgement before you have all the evidence available that is required for that judgement to be accurately made. In the case of your statements above, to truly be able to say those things, you would need to know:

*Every single British and American soldier and airman,
*to have worked with them,
*studied with them,
*analysed their thoughts,
*analysed their actions,
*analysed their motivations,
*analsyed their ability and intelligence.

You would have to be a god to accomplish such a feat.

Prejudice is wrong because it's bad manners, and leads to ignorant, cruel decision making. Prejudice is stupid, because it is a sign of lazy thinking, and demonstrates a dangerous lack of self-knowledge to those around you.

Remember also that those Danes were real people, not characters in a film. And now they're dead. Forever.

I second Essex Boys comments.
 
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bob the brit       1/17/2008 1:36:03 PM
In a statement to The Sun, Lt Col Carew Hatherley, the Grenadiers? CO, insisted: ?The swift actions of the coalition aircraft at Geresk, as on every other occasion during our tough tour, undeniably saved both Afghan and British army lives.?
 
Adam... this is the important part taken from that otherwise arse wiping paper called the sun.
don't throw this out again.
 
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bob the brit       1/17/2008 1:38:47 PM

In a statement to The Sun, Lt Col Carew Hatherley, the Grenadiers? CO, insisted: ?The swift actions of the coalition aircraft at Geresk, as on every other occasion during our tough tour, undeniably saved both Afghan and British army lives.?

 

Adam... this is the important part taken from that otherwise arse wiping paper called the sun.

don't throw this out again.


i've even taken the time to highlight the important bits
 
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bob the brit       1/17/2008 1:42:01 PM
although i too wish friendly fire incidents could be extiguished, i admire the american pilots for continually answering the called to help, even after all the flack they are getting. were i in their boots, i'd possibly say f*ck it, i'm risking hitting some friendlies and not hearing the end of it. yet they don't say that, they understand they are doing a very valuable thing.
 
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