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Subject: The difference between India and Pakistan!!!
Genesis    10/21/2005 5:31:39 AM
The difference between India and Pakistan If India builds the bomb, we will eat grass or leaves, even go hungry. But we will get one of our own.' declared Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, the late prime minister of Pakistan, the man responsible for not only enlisting A Q Khan in a successful bid to steal nuclear secrets but also for pitching Pakistan along the path of Islamic fundamentalism. Both his wishes have come true. Pakistan has the bomb and its people are eating grass. The BBC's web site reported that quake affected residents in as yet inaccessible areas have resorted to eating grass in order to survive. The quake has once again brought Pakistan to the fore of international concerns with aid spigots being rushed open. It was barely four years ago when September 11th had a similar effect. Along with discredited ideas like the notion that poverty begets terrorism, the US and its allies chose to disregard the very democratic ideals that they claimed to be fostering by ignoring General Pervez Musharraf's repeated subversion of democracy. In the name of fighting terrorism, billions of dollars have flowed to the only stable institution that Pakistanis and Pakistan has ever known, the military. However, for India the many challenges brought about by the earthquake also present opportunities to counter the many falsehoods about India's situation with regard to Kashmir. Apart from the calamitous effect of burying thousands, the quake also laid bare the considerable terrorist infrastructure in Pakistan occupied Kashmir. Britain's Daily Telegraph newspaper had two reports, one by Rahul Bedi and another by the respected Pakistani commentator, Ahmed Rashid, that made explicit references to the epicenter of the quake as being the epicenter of the many jihadi camps. The Financial Times of Britain also had an article quoting Shireen Mazari, director of the Institute of Strategic Studies in Islamabad, who asserted: 'We do not want them surveying the lie (sic) of the land assessing the damage to military (read terrorist) assets. Mazari was referring to the offer by India of helicopters for relief efforts. Translated, these reports and comments, for the first time, amount to nearly transparent third party comments about Pakistan continuing to use terrorism as an instrument of foreign policy. Such revelations have, heretofore, never seen the light of day. In fact, Western intelligence sources have been quoted as being aware that many of the terrorist camps in Pakistan occupied Kashmir continue to nurture and train Al Qaeda terrorists besides jhadis who cross the Line of Control to kill both civilians (often Muslims) and Indian Army personnel. Despite the foregoing, a clutch of Western commentary in the US and Europe has centered on the need to nudge India and Pakistan further along the peace process with the quake forming the basis of the new impetus. Apart from the astounding moral equivalence implied, such decades old thinking continues to ignore the democratic deficit in Pakistan that has contributed not only to the enduring plight of average Pakistani citizens but also to the growing worldwide terrorist threat. The Indian government would do well to publicly, if subtly, highlight development in the entire state of Kashmir including the contrast between infrastructure and responses on either side of the LoC. Along the same lines of affected impartiality, Western media and, in particular, the New York Times has focused on reports of supposedly inadequate responses by the Indian government. Presumably that was intended to suggest an impartial assessment that necessarily has to fault both countries. In reality, these reports rely on skewed data designed to feed the false sense of even-handedness. The rapid response by the Indian Air Force to affected areas in Uri and elsewhere ought to be showcased by the government at every available avenue as an instance of what actually occurred on the ground. Lastly, the absurdity of a suggested settlement, reflecting the aspirations of ordinary Kashmiris, between a military regime and a democratic and accountable government, seems to have eluded observers in the West. While India has surely gained time in going along with the peace process, Indians are aware that there is little likelihood of substantive settlement while both the military and terrorists (if a distinction can be made between the two) continue to shape Pakistan's national and foreign policy goals. General Musharraf's praise of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's offer of aid notwithstanding there is no hint of any tangible move in the direction of peace. It is unlikely that brownie points from someone intent only on one-upmanship, if not destruction of his opponent, will accrue to India's benefit. The government could consider lifting a page out of Israel and Ariel Sharon's book when the latter refused to deal with Yasser Arafat to the very end. Both the preceding Indian
 
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PeregrinePike    RE:The difference between India and Pakistan!!!   10/21/2005 12:07:57 PM
What a load of cr@p... ... you do no service to yourself, or fellow Indians, by posting this kind of incoherent garbage on this forum. Its so damn embarassing to see your posts on US board, that I no longer find the heart to post there. So pipe down, before you get completely trashed.
 
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trustedsourceofinfo    RE:Pike   10/21/2005 11:56:05 PM
""What a load of cr@p..."" --->Damn,ur gettin to my nerves...Who the hell do you think you are? Get a life ,Dude!This is a democracy!He simply quotes from an article on the web! Which part do you find utterly incoherent?
 
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Genesis    RE:POKE   10/22/2005 1:19:21 AM
POKE or PIKE or whoever u r...nobody needs ur advice here....if u dont understand my posts, u have to blame it on ur madarassa education... I dont do the mudslinging posts that most of ur fellow countrymen do.....so go throw ur brain on the drain...
 
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trustedsourceofinfo    RE:POKE   10/22/2005 1:36:09 AM
He's an Indian-do NOT doubt that even for a second!
 
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PeregrinePike    RE:Pike   10/22/2005 3:56:32 PM
>> Who the hell do you think you are? << Unfortunately someone whom too many on this board know to be an Indian, and by extension someone quite embrassed by jingoism displayed by this particular poster... Look I get some of my work done on this board, and people help me out because they know my screen handle -- so changing it is somewhat hard, as an older poster by the name of Jodhpur pointed "its a known commodity by now". >> Get a life ,Dude!This is a democracy!He simply quotes from an article on the web! << Sorry to break it to you... but this is a private website hosted somewhere here on the East Coast, and SYSOPS is definately an oligarchy at best ;-) >> Which part do you find utterly incoherent? << Like the first senctence, duh!!! If we are going to present editorials from "Indian" sources, they better be well written... everyone knows we know English, so we cant duck behind the "I am a foreigner, and in my language grammar is different" rock ;-) Look, if I were a Pak (and somehow smuggled in an Indian brain across Wagh, and get it transplanted ;-) I could construct a gazillion stupid articles like this based on Nehruvian-Stalinist idiocy... and a few zillions more out of Indra Gandhi's Emergency era jingoism. And pass it off as legit works... how would my credibility hold up to that???? Finally the point is, if its a joke... make sure YOU know what it is all about. And if you are posting a joke on Pakistani board, dumb it down to something like: "What do you call 200,000 empty hands high in the air? -- The Pakistani Army" Or "What type of grass was Butto talking about when he said Paks would eat grass to get bombs? -- Kudzu, because only US would give it to them... and in payment they have to clean up Atlanta by herding their goat-beard mullahs there"
 
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PeregrinePike    RE:POKE   10/22/2005 4:04:33 PM
>> POKE or PIKE or whoever u r...nobody needs ur advice here.... << Figured that... >> if u dont understand my posts, u have to blame it on ur madarassa education... << Right, my poor madrassa education is the bane of my life... what with revisionist history pumped into my history books, eh? >> I dont do the mudslinging posts that most of ur fellow countrymen do..... << Ah, so we have a pardesi here... some of them are good, some rotten. >> so go throw ur brain on the drain... << Nah, thats too costly... travelling all the way to India to find an open drain to throw my brain in.
 
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trustedsourceofinfo    RE:Pike   10/23/2005 9:35:18 PM
""Unfortunately someone whom too many on this board know to be an Indian, and by extension someone quite embrassed by jingoism displayed by this particular poster..."" ---->I dont see anything wrong with an India displaying chauvinistic nationalism! Perhaps,we Bose apologists find you an embarassment for clubbing Bose with the likes of Hekmatyar and Nailubin(whatever!) and lebelling him as a crass opportunist. Or should we embarrased by the fact that you 'quote out of context' to label Bose and his men as a legion responsible for rape and death of young women! Perhaps,you feel embarrased the way we treat Gandhi and call him names for the troubles he caused our nation!! So freaking what!This is a democracy and every individual has the right to express his or her own opinion. ""but this is a private website hosted somewhere here on the East Coast, and SYSOPS is definately an oligarchy at best ;-)"" --->Well you aint the SYSOPS dude!Let them do their job! ""Like the first senctence, duh!!!"" -->The first sentence couldnt be any more truer to the context of the article... This is truly the difference between the Paki and the Indian establishment....They'd freaking let their economy goto the dumps but they'll match the Indians bomb to bomb,missile to missile... ""If we are going to present editorials from "Indian" sources, they better be well written"" -->The author merely compiles and quotes from the BBC and the telegraph(??)! How do you construe that the article isnt well written! ""Finally the point is, if its a joke... make sure YOU know what it is all about. And if you are posting a joke on Pakistani board, dumb it down to something like:"" --->It wasnt intended to be a joke!He quoted from rediff written by Dandpani and nuthin ever was supposed to be a joke.... ""Look I get some of my work done on this board, and people help me out because they know my screen handle -- so changing it is somewhat hard, as an older poster by the name of Jodhpur pointed "its a known commodity by now"."" --->Hmm,apparently your work wasnt hampered when we had a combined Indo-Pak board with all sort of trash flowing both ways...What changed suddenly... Yeah-your scrren handle could be a commodity and pray tell me how does Genesis posts change that in ANY way! PP----I hate to agree with Musloko's assessment of you! Your sparing use of fancy words from the dictionary is apparent !But what you lack is basic common sense! Hate to break it to you-focus on what you HAVE to do on this forum.Do NOT bother with what kinda rejoinders I post;or what Genesis posts....and let the Sysops do THEIR job....
 
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Indian cadet    RE:The difference between India and Pakistan!!!   10/25/2005 3:20:45 PM
its a good topic The difference is clear "ITS ALL ABOUT WHO USE ITS HEAD", the answer is obvious PAKISTAN. I think Indians should also start using the brain, and close down this difference betwee the two countries. Otherwise, Indian brothers, this vital organ in head will go in vain. Lol
 
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counterstrike    RE:The difference between India and Pakistan!!!   10/26/2005 1:04:22 AM
Indian cadet, tell me of a world renowned Paki scientist.......keep finding one, u will never get one execpt cheaters like AQ khan. And u talk abt brains ...LOL
 
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trustedsourceofinfo    RE:Nice Joke   10/26/2005 3:04:55 AM
"The difference is clear "ITS ALL ABOUT WHO USE ITS HEAD", the answer is obvious PAKISTAN. "" -->Nice joke Indian cadet...A paki who needs an Indian handle to put a point across...Well DOne-You make all Pakis very proud!
 
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