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Subject: the Pakistan armed forces Verus the Indian armed force in all aspects
soldier of god    11/28/2005 8:03:19 PM
hello I am in the army my rank is captain. WE will start of with small arms the G3 vs the INSAS the G3 has a range of about 1,312 feet its rate of fire is 800 rounds per minute. The INSAS has range of about 1,112 feet. The G3 has can fire single or full auto. The INSAS can fire single or three round burst. Why not full auto because the indian generals think that their troops will waste to much ammunition. The G3 is has more recoil than the INSAS but thats because the G3 has a bigger round then the INSAS. Those are the facts whether you like them are not. Know the heavy machines the MG3 vs the BREN. The MG3 has a range of about 1,512 feet its rate of fire is 1,200 rounds per minute . The bren has a range of about 1,298 feet its rate of fire is about 1,111 rounds per minute. I can not tell you about the recoil because i have never fired them. Also the Bren is a WW2 gun and a large number of indian troops still use this gun today. Know we move to main battle tank this is where india cannot match pakistan . The AL KHALID VS the Argun tank the AL KHlAID tank has already been devoleped the argun tank still has not been devoleped. The Al KHALID has 125mm Gun and has all the latest equipment that most western tanks have. Pakistan already has an edge over india a in land war.
 
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anarchy007    comparing rate of fire   6/5/2007 10:54:52 AM
Soldier of God, i am really convinced that you have no knowledge of weapons. If you are a captain of the Pakistani Army, god save the men under your command. First of all, rifles are never compared on the bases of their rate of fire, if one of your soldiers can fire 800 rounds per minute, tell me where the hell is he going to put the 800 rounds!!! How is he going to carry them? And aint he gonna reload, if i am correct, the G3 has a magazine of about 20 or 30 rounds. Now how are you going to spray 800 rounds a minute accurately(you know, there is something known as RECOIL) Considering the burst and single shot modes, let me tell you that some of the best armies in the world(the US, UK, Germany) have incorporated 3 round burst modes in their rifles as it is the best mode, three rounds ensure that the target will at least take a hit and go down, and in case the target is wearing body armor, the possibility of penetration are increased.eg. M-16 has only 3 round burst and single shot modes. Al-Khalid vs Arjun Arjun was an experiment for the DRDO, it was made to give some experience to Indian engineers. There are only 124 Arjuns in the Indian Army's inventory, why dont you compare al khalid with T-90S, which is India Main Battle Tank(310 in number and counting) and in case of an armored battle will be used more than the Arjun. Why pakistan has full auto rifles??? Pakistan uses its weapons to kill innocent civilians(bangladesh), they line 'em up and then start shooting, full auto is more effective as it can kill more civilians in shorter time. Pakistan has formed an army to kill its own citizens and rape women.
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Rasputin       8/9/2007 5:53:00 AM

hello I am in the army my rank is captain. WE will start of with small arms the G3 vs the INSAS the G3 has a range of about 1,312 feet its rate of fire is 800 rounds per minute. The INSAS has range of about 1,112 feet. The G3 has can fire single or full auto. The INSAS can fire single or three round burst. Why not full auto because the indian generals think that their troops will waste to much ammunition. The G3 is has more recoil than the INSAS but thats because the G3 has a bigger round then the INSAS. Those are the facts whether you like them are not. Know the heavy machines the MG3 vs the BREN. The MG3 has a range of about 1,512 feet its rate of fire is 1,200 rounds per minute . The bren has a range of about 1,298 feet its rate of fire is about 1,111 rounds per minute. I can not tell you about the recoil because i have never fired them. Also the Bren is a WW2 gun and a large number of indian troops still use this gun today. Know we move to main battle tank this is where india cannot match pakistan . The AL KHALID VS the Argun tank the AL KHlAID tank has already been devoleped the argun tank still has not been devoleped. The Al KHALID has 125mm Gun and has all the latest equipment that most western tanks have. Pakistan already has an edge over india a in land war.
Small arms wise, it is actually upon the deployment and the skills of the users that make a difference. Usually performance depends  very much on the leadership of the soldiers being deployed. I do not doubt the patriotism of the soldiers on both sides.

On a technical standpoint, the Indian army also have heaps of their Indian equivalent to the G3, the Indian FN FAL, same caliber, range and performance. However those are not the only service weapons that India or Pakistan has in their infantry arsenals. Both sides have soldiers armed with AK47s, some indians with Sterlings and other stuff. But for the Bren, the firing rate is only 400 to 600 rds per minute, it cannot be directly compared to the MG3, as it is in the opposite spectrum, however, the Bren is not really a MG, but can do some really accurate long range shooting, and if it is really obsolete it will not be deployed. I am not really sure what is the Indian army Medium machine gun, I guess it could be the Russian PKM??? or GPMG? You see the borders between India and Pakistan are that long, so obviously if fighting is going to occur in high up mountainous countries you will see the Indian Fn Fal vs the Paki G3. But for close in city fighting, or armoured warfare, the INSAS and AKs will be better suited.

However all of these are moot points from tanks to infantry. The decider for the India vs Pakistan conflict would be airpower. Who can get air superiority, and drop tons of bombs on the land forces will most likely have a decisive edge over the battlefield.

One thing can be seen in the armaments policies of both countries. While India is often slow, and very much close to the russian block in dependence for weapons, particularly in tanks and aircraft, India has gained technologically from their arms endavour and could field quite a powerful force, as they have a mordenized army that is huge in numbers and size. Pakistan on the other hand is very heavily dependent on China as an ally for all their weapons. While China's equipment are excellent for insurgent use, they are not the kind of technology or equipment that you would like to bet your farm or your life with. But the Pakistani army has got a lot of experience lately in fighting their own Pakistani insurgency. Nothing major but something that sharpens and keeps the Pakistani army in a fighting edge.

You see there is sometimes no greater love, than a fondness for an old enemy, if Pakistan as you know it today is disintergrated or becomes as destablized as Iraq, India will not be too happy with a neighbour that has no longer any control or authority over vast populations that could turn into islamist insurgent territories overnight. Better the old devil you know than the new ones you are unfamiliar with.

 
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janjua    pakistanis are the best   1/6/2008 1:17:56 PM
hey counter strike,
you talk about patton nagar..............u find ur own generals and ask them about chawinda in patton nagar on17 to 18 tanks were destroyed ............in chawinda india lost 270 tanks and more then 400 damaged ..............ur air force is nothing infront of ours mm alam shot down 5 hunters in less then 1 min ................and we are better then u ...........for example paki and indi are physiacally the same ............now u tell me if a person can stop 5 people like himself who is better.........and yeah we fought in our own terrotory that is why the zarb e momin exercise was done next time try to come we will fuck u up on ur own land..................ur army is so gr8 that it gave paramvir chakra posthumusly to a alive man ..............hahahahahahah ..........wat a fuck up
 
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janjua    pakistanis are the best   1/6/2008 1:31:16 PM
hey counter strike,
man u talk so rubbish.................u talk about patton nagar friend pakistan only lost 18 tanks there..............check this out hav u ever heared of chwinda there india lost 270 tanks and more then 400 damaged ...............thats a record after ww2..............we r better then u ................mm alam shot down 5 hunter in less then 1 min on a saber ................thats a record .................for info check wikipedia assshole...............we r better then u............ill proof that paki and indi are the sme physically .if 1 paki can stop 5 indi then who is better .............ur army is the king of blunders ..........u posthumusly gave paramvir chakra to a alive person hahahahahahah.........................lolz..sunny there is a saying dont work hard work smart ..............yes jf 17 and alkhalid are made with the help of china but it will make these better then jedas and arjun....................nukle head............and the reason ur army doesnt come in politics because its afraid that it will be fucked up and yes we use to fight in our terrarin but after zarb e momin we come in yr land and fuck u up...................and the example is that we fucked u up inkargil tumhare tate halk main a gaye the ................and u should be glad that it wasnt a fulfledge war other wise we would had messeed  u up totally ..................
 
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le_corsaire       1/7/2008 12:06:12 PM

... Know the heavy machines the MG3 vs the BREN. The MG3 has a range of about 1,512 feet its rate of fire is 1,200 rounds per minute . The bren has a range of about 1,298 feet its rate of fire is about 1,111 rounds per minute. I can not tell you about the recoil because i have never fired them. Also the Bren is a WW2 gun and a large number of indian troops still use this gun today ...

The MG3 for your information is also rather minor upgrade of the WW2 MG42 of the German Wehrmacht (manufactured by POF under licence from the German company "Rheinmetal"). So I do not understand your problems with the WW2 bren ...
If you compare the fire rates please first of all note that the old MG42 had an even higher fire rate (1.500 rounds per min). As a Captain you should however, know that this rate is a "theoretical number" and that the practical fire rate (including swap of barrel or barrel cool-down which have to take place after approx. 150 rounds) is at approx. 300 or max. 350 rounds per sec. You don't fire 150 rounds in a row ? Why comparing these figures then ? Do they say anything ?
 
 
 
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le_corsaire       1/7/2008 12:26:32 PM

WE will start of with small arms the G3 vs the INSAS the G3 has a range of about 1,312 feet its rate of fire is 800 rounds per minute. The INSAS has range of about 1,112 feet. The G3 has can fire single or full auto. The INSAS can fire single or three round burst. Why not full auto because the indian generals think that their troops will waste to much ammunition. The G3 is has more recoil than the INSAS but thats because the G3 has a bigger round then the INSAS. Those are the facts whether you like them are not.

Concerning the G3, the major point (which you seem to miss?) is it's brutal power with a v0 of around 800m/s and e0 of approx 3000 Joule (which is nearly double compared e.g. to an AK 47). Thats the major advantage of this weapon and the reason why it was in use for such a long time in Germany or other countries. However it's handling is not really fun ... high recoil and also that it is somehat inconvenient to handle and carry. I don't know how you train your personnel (maybe shooting with 600 rounds per second and exchanging the magazines as fast as possible?) ... but handling is a major issue in practice. (by the way the FN FAL was known as G1 at German army before G3).
 
 
 
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pointblank    Capt vs Indians   1/11/2008 10:06:39 AM
As a Pakistani, I happened upon this conversation and nothing new came up. Its the same old braggadocio we're tougher than you crap.
 
The real interesting thing here is that India, a Giant of a nation with a Billion people, 3 times the area of Pakistan considers Pakistan its match.
 
That is the real crux of the matter, that a small Pakistan faces a huge Goliath India and does not blink. haha! I always feel proud of this fact that no matter who lost or won or who has the better propaganda, the fact is that a small Pakistan is not scared of a large India.
 
Indians I have never seen or heard talk tough to nations their own size because like wolves they only attack when in numbers, Pakistan is a like a lion, in small prides and will take on a bigger opponent any day.
 
There is a new saying, 'A man is known by the enemies he makes', and in Pakistans case, 'A country is known by the enemies its makes'.
 
To The Pakistani captain, I would advise you not to waste your time here, you have been very decent in your posts and I have read only insults from the Indian side, they may have better grammer but they sure have filthy minds and filthy family upbringing, their posts are proof.
 
No amount of fancy posts will change the fact that despite a huge Indian military attacking Pakistan several times, that Pakistan is still here and stronger and it never allowed the Indians to invade a single major city, even Lahore which is barely a dozen miles from the border. So much for the vaunted tough Indian army of millions, laugh, you got your butts thrashed by the Chinese because they were your match, today you dont look wrong at them because the idea of a billion Chinese flooding over the border into India scares you, so you keep yourself busy with matching up with a smaller Pakistan. Lol
 
 
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Herald12345    Sigh.....................   1/13/2008 7:21:41 AM

As a Pakistani, I happened upon this conversation and nothing new came up. Its the same old braggadocio we're tougher than you crap.

 

The real interesting thing here is that India, a Giant of a nation with a Billion people, 3 times the area of Pakistan considers Pakistan its match.

 

That is the real crux of the matter, that a small Pakistan faces a huge Goliath India and does not blink. haha! I always feel proud of this fact that no matter who lost or won or who has the better propaganda, the fact is that a small Pakistan is not scared of a large India.

 

Indians I have never seen or heard talk tough to nations their own size because like wolves they only attack when in numbers, Pakistan is a like a lion, in small prides and will take on a bigger opponent any day.

 

There is a new saying, 'A man is known by the enemies he makes', and in Pakistans case, 'A country is known by the enemies its makes'.

 

To The Pakistani captain, I would advise you not to waste your time here, you have been very decent in your posts and I have read only insults from the Indian side, they may have better grammer but they sure have filthy minds and filthy family upbringing, their posts are proof.

 

No amount of fancy posts will change the fact that despite a huge Indian military attacking Pakistan several times, that Pakistan is still here and stronger and it never allowed the Indians to invade a single major city, even Lahore which is barely a dozen miles from the border. So much for the vaunted tough Indian army of millions, laugh, you got your butts thrashed by the Chinese because they were your match, today you dont look wrong at them because the idea of a billion Chinese flooding over the border into India scares you, so you keep yourself busy with matching up with a smaller Pakistan. Lol

 

1. India 4 Pakistan 0
2. East Pakistan, packed with  200,000,000  people no longer exists. Its called Bengladesh now, and looks to New Delhi, not Islamabad.
3. Musharrif has two phones color coded -one red and one blue: so he knows which boss to whom he talks when the phone rings. Red phone is Hu Jintao. Blue phone is George Bush.

If the US ambassador even looks funny sideways in New Delhi, we get nothing but grief. Same goes for his PRC goon, counterpart.

Still want to live in your psychotic dream world or do you want to come back into reality with the rest of us?

Herald 

 
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Petriot    the Pakistan armed forces Verus the Indian armed force in all aspects   4/19/2008 4:32:44 AM
" hello I am in the army my rank is captain. WE will start of with small arms the G3 vs the INSAS the G3 has a range of about 1,312 feet its rate .....  war." 
Well Dont get rush all of you. Whenever if we want to compare some thing you much first make some constants. both countries indepandance is 1947. India have all re resources and pakistan have not even one production unit for arms. well etc etc than we can make comparision. From that time pakistan face sanction many time but india did't. So in the light of above one can easily estimate that which country is better now, dont go to quantiy go to specifications. and for behavior of Captian i excuse but it is natual india never accept pakistan and want to eat pakistan as tried many times but INSHALLAH india we'll never able to do that.  DONT GO TO CHINA  phely hum say to nibatloo.
 
anyways i found this funny video related to army on youtube check this out
 
 
 
 
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Herald12345    Reality versus fantasy,   4/20/2008 6:48:35 AM
Those cretins are DEAD for real, cretin.

Study the ways of peace, buffoon, Leave the bigoted bragging to the PRC bandits, and the other contemptible warmongering fools of this Earth.

Lest you be lumped in with them and then KILLED like them..

Herald 

 
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