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Subject: the Pakistan armed forces Verus the Indian armed force in all aspects
soldier of god    11/28/2005 8:03:19 PM
hello I am in the army my rank is captain. WE will start of with small arms the G3 vs the INSAS the G3 has a range of about 1,312 feet its rate of fire is 800 rounds per minute. The INSAS has range of about 1,112 feet. The G3 has can fire single or full auto. The INSAS can fire single or three round burst. Why not full auto because the indian generals think that their troops will waste to much ammunition. The G3 is has more recoil than the INSAS but thats because the G3 has a bigger round then the INSAS. Those are the facts whether you like them are not. Know the heavy machines the MG3 vs the BREN. The MG3 has a range of about 1,512 feet its rate of fire is 1,200 rounds per minute . The bren has a range of about 1,298 feet its rate of fire is about 1,111 rounds per minute. I can not tell you about the recoil because i have never fired them. Also the Bren is a WW2 gun and a large number of indian troops still use this gun today. Know we move to main battle tank this is where india cannot match pakistan . The AL KHALID VS the Argun tank the AL KHlAID tank has already been devoleped the argun tank still has not been devoleped. The Al KHALID has 125mm Gun and has all the latest equipment that most western tanks have. Pakistan already has an edge over india a in land war.
 
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counterstrike    RE:the Pakistan armed forces Verus the Indian armed force in all aspects   11/28/2005 11:53:40 PM
>>The AL KHALID VS the Argun tank the AL KHlAID tank has already been devoleped the argun tank still has not been devoleped. The Al KHALID has 125mm Gun and has all the latest equipment that most western tanks have. Pakistan already has an edge over india a in land war.<< captian what an ignorance? Al-kalidhs are the chinese tanks which pakistan has fitted according to design specifications and hasn't developed on its own like you blab and where as Arjun is an indigeneous project unlike pakistans Al-kahlids and for your kind info india has T-90 which has the edge over Al-kahlids and will soon start manufacturing them in India!
 
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counterstrike    RE:the Pakistan armed forces Verus the Indian armed force in all aspects   11/29/2005 12:02:02 AM
>>The INSAS can fire single or three round burst. Why not full auto because the indian generals think that their troops will waste to much ammunition.<< captian, accurate shooters don't need a full auto gun why waste more bullets for a single kill when it can be done by a single bullet. it was from the experince that Indian army got from IPKF in srilanka
 
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soldier of god    RE:the Pakistan armed forces Verus the Indian armed force in all aspects   11/29/2005 1:09:27 AM
The only reason you would want to put up a t-90 against AL KHALID is because the t90 is al little better in speed and mobilty. I will tell you right know that pakistani soldier is way better shooter than a indian shooter. How do I know this because I have seen it happen and it is a fact that the indians are poor shots. I have been in the army for 12 years know. And you indians think you are really that tough just because you talk tough on the computer. When you come to traing camp we will see how tough you really are you will probaly urinet in your pants. Agree with me or not pakistan does have an edge over india in a land war.
 
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mithradates    this discussion is stupid   11/29/2005 1:16:32 AM
You can't just compare two army's by saying which one has the better guns or which one has the faster tank. You have to look at the picture as a whole. Which army is larger by category? which army has more units of a specific weapon system? What's the average training time for the soldiers? Which nation has better logistical infrastructure? And MOST IMPORTANTLY, by what measure do you mean BETTER? Better at fighting WWIII? Better at counter-terrorism? Better at disaster relief?
 
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papareezoo    RE:the Pakistan armed forces Verus the Indian armed force in all aspects   11/29/2005 5:09:40 AM
<< Al-kalidhs are the chinese tanks which pakistan has fitted according to design specifications and hasn't developed on its own like you blab and where as Arjun is an indigeneous project unlike pakistans Al-kahlids>> YOU MISSED CS. AL-KHALID is not a chinese invention. It's a developed figure of T-90 and Al-Zarar that of T-80UD Ukranian tanks. WHAT AN IGNORANCE?
 
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counterstrike    soilder of God   11/29/2005 6:13:51 AM
and you want to believe me you are captain army. You talk so irresponsibly and un-intellectually that you don?t even qualify for being a jawan let alone a captain. Ouch you belong to the Pakistani army don?t you? then you qualify of being a general..LOL And for what reason are you putting Al-khalid with Arjun just because it is still being developed. Pakistani capt. Al-khalid is Chinese and Arjun is India?s first MBT made by its own without an external help and how could you go on to compare both. Well let me ask how do you think Pakistan is having the edge only now it had this in 1965 with American Patton?s and what is now left a bizarre reminder of Patton nagar well ask your general or someone who there during the 1965 war how many Patton?s you lost! LOL? see I am a computer engineer (in the making) and not a warrior or jihadi of some sort so I talk tough on computer that?s pretty reasonable. But you claim to be captian in army and yet you sound like a desperate chicken?lol Now that?s your education which is affecting what can I do when you study that the Indians were so coward and put their Bandhuks down and run for life when they see a Pakistani soilder. Captian learn some lessons read what happened in Battle of longewala, what actually happened in 1965 so that your so called winning army accepted the truce and what happened in 1971 and kargil. Being in the heights your army couldn?t hit a barn door with a Bazooka in Kargil and you talk about accuracy, your army men are just capable of shooting innocent civilians and taking over the govt. in a coup don?t believe me? Just think for yourself how many times This has happened with your army? . Now don?t tell me your army wasn?t defeated in kargil that will be more than joke if you say that And say you are a captain still. I am fed up of giving these Pakistanis neutral sources to tell they lost the war. I even showed them a report prepared by American Navy and still insist they weren?t defeated in kargil. Such is their ignorance. I think you will pee in your pants If don?t accept what you say. Poor chap!
 
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counterstrike    soilder of God   11/29/2005 6:25:49 AM
>>The pakistan army has always played a defensive role against the indian army.<< now you want to joke?? Don?t you? This shows you are not even in the Pakistani army, let alone being a captian. >>Yes india does have a edge over pakistan in numbers but that does not matter any more. Technology is know the main weapon some thing you just dont understand.<< Having the technology doesn?t help mate. Do you know what USAF official said during the cope -2005 ? I this day having access to state of the art technology is not a big issue but drawing performance from it is! And the Indians are one of the best at it? >> Pakistan does have a better counter terrorism force 5than the indians.<< I think Pakistan does have a better terrorism force than India..lol >>Their is no comparison betwwen the SSG COMMANDOS and the INDIAN PARA COMMANDOS. The SSG commandos are far better trained and equipped than their indian counterparts.<< really, ask your general pervez mushraff why their para-assault in India such a failure?? That so many were either jailed or killed and Musharraf was among the very few who escaped it!
 
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Genesis    RE:CS   11/29/2005 6:31:19 AM
CS..you are arguing with a blank wall mate...
 
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counterstrike    RE:the Pakistan armed forces Verus the Indian armed force in all aspects   11/29/2005 6:43:50 AM
>>AL-KHALID is not a chinese invention. It's a developed figure of T-90 and Al-Zarar that of T-80UD Ukranian tanks. WHAT AN IGNORANCE?<< they are chinese! Pakistan's development of the MBT-2000 Al Khalid began in 1988, and in January 1990 an agreement was reached with China to jointly design, develop and manufacture system. The design is an upgrade from the original T902M and work had been going on at China's NORINCO for some years. Besides a low silhouette, it is considerably smaller as compared to other modern tanks, with a maximum weight of 46 tons. The Al Khalid is fitted with a smooth bore gun of 125mm which can also fire missiles. Initial prototypes were produced in China and fielded for trials in August 1991. Pakistan's manufacturing plant at Taxila was completed in 1992. Since then development efforts have focused on improving the design for Pakistan's terrain and high temperatures. The engine of the T90 2M is replaced by the Ukrainian 6TD 1200hp engine, and a newly developed thermal viewer system has been added to improve nocturnal fighting capability. US$20 million were reportedly spent on the indigenous development of the Al-Khalid tanks over a period of eight years. so it the chinese took all the pain if developing the prototypes and Pakistan happily made modifictaions to it to suit its conditions that to with help of Ukraine & china and says al-khalid is indigeneous. so who is ignorant? Ukraine is a key partner in the production of the Al-Khalid tank which is a joint venture between China, Pakistan and Ukraine. Ukraine is also providing assistance to Pakistan in the Upgrade/Re-Build its T-59 tanks to the Al-Zarar Configuration, which is intended to match the T-80UD tanks. so it is a chinese one, one knows how much pakis will would have contributed to this! The Chinese ground army has not made any purchase orders and will not use the same tank when it does decide to buy a next-generation armored vehicle and why is that?? what ignorance?
 
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counterstrike    RE:papareezoo   11/29/2005 6:51:44 AM
>>AL-KHALID is not a chinese invention. It's a developed figure of T-90 and Al-Zarar that of T-80UD Ukranian tanks. WHAT AN IGNORANCE?<< they are chinese! Pakistan's development of the MBT-2000 Al Khalid began in 1988, and in January 1990 an agreement was reached with China to jointly design, develop and manufacture system. The design is an upgrade from the original T902M and work had been going on at China's NORINCO for some years. Besides a low silhouette, it is considerably smaller as compared to other modern tanks, with a maximum weight of 46 tons. The Al Khalid is fitted with a smooth bore gun of 125mm which can also fire missiles. Initial prototypes were produced in China and fielded for trials in August 1991. Pakistan's manufacturing plant at Taxila was completed in 1992. Since then development efforts have focused on improving the design for Pakistan's terrain and high temperatures. The engine of the T90 2M is replaced by the Ukrainian 6TD 1200hp engine, and a newly developed thermal viewer system has been added to improve nocturnal fighting capability. US$20 million were reportedly spent on the indigenous development of the Al-Khalid tanks over a period of eight years. so it the chinese took all the pain if developing the prototypes and Pakistan happily made modifictaions to it to suit its conditions that to with help of Ukraine & china and says al-khalid is indigeneous. so who is ignorant? Ukraine is a key partner in the production of the Al-Khalid tank which is a joint venture between China, Pakistan and Ukraine. Ukraine is also providing assistance to Pakistan in the Upgrade/Re-Build its T-59 tanks to the Al-Zarar Configuration, which is intended to match the T-80UD tanks. so it is a chinese one, one knows how much pakis will would have contributed to this! The Chinese ground army has not made any purchase orders and will not use the same tank when it does decide to buy a next-generation armored vehicle and why is that?? is al-khalidh a sucess as your void army call it to be. what ignorance?
 
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