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Subject: Su-37 vs. F-22
TankFREAK    11/3/2005 5:39:49 PM
Which do you think is better? The F-22 has stealth features (not completely stealth) and the Su-37 has super-maunverability on it's side (front canards+thrust vectoring). No doubt if there was no stealth and it was an actual dog fight, the Su-37 would undoubtly win. But how effective the F-22's stealth is not completely verified. IMO, i would say that the Su-37 'Terminator' is better, as it has supermanuverability (it can perform the world-reknowned kulbit, which is basically doing a somersault within it's own length). If we knew more about how effective the stealth is on the F-22, i might sway my decision, but at least for the time being, i say the Su-37 is better. What's your take on this?
 
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gf0012-aust    RE:F-22 clearly superior to the SU-37!   12/28/2005 9:17:27 AM
"shortly what you 've just said is your own imagination." err no, the comments about the Su-37 actually are comments from Sukhoi, Rosoboronexport and their most senior test pilot made some 3 years ago. the plane is a DNS. what part don't you understand from my response?
 
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aircrafts    RE:F-22 clearly superior to the SU-37!   12/28/2005 9:31:55 AM
the raptor is a dns how can you compare them?
 
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gf0012-aust    RE:F-22 clearly superior to the SU-37!   12/28/2005 9:45:27 AM
"the raptor is a dns" ROFLMAO - you don't even know what a DNS is - otherwise you wouldn't even make the above comment. Basically you've just told the world that you don't have a clue There are 3 squadrons of F-22's active. They were combat certified last month. So close to 60 F-22's are combat ready and weapons certified against a plane that even the most senior russian test pilot says is a non starter. LOL
 
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aircrafts    RE:F-22 clearly superior to the SU-37!   12/28/2005 10:03:44 AM
what i think: data not shown whatever you could say whatever you want it has lots of meanings. They were combat certified last month - now did not have that info
 
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gf0012-aust    RE:F-22 clearly superior to the SU-37!   12/28/2005 10:17:40 AM
"what i think: data not shown whatever you could say whatever you want it has lots of meanings. They were combat certified last month - now did not have that info " gee, you say that the F-22 is a DNS and yet they have had over 2 squadrons in test and development for the last 12 months - that's common knowledge. in the last 6 months it has been regularly been declared that the 3rd squadron would be activated by end November - thats also common knowledge. So, a minimum of 40 aircraft for the last 12 months and a further 15 in the mix built this month - and cleared for warloads - and you come up with a comment about Su-37's vs F-22's (IIRC now officially F-22A's). even if you want to be prickly and argue about a completed 3rd squadron - then the numbers walk all over Su-37 airframe(s). it's not an issue of interpration, these are raw available numbers. Somehow I think the Snr Russian test pilot might have a better clue than you do about the (non existent) development path. As a further example, there are more combat ready F-22A's than Rafales. Su-37. DNS and a DNF by association. No contest.
 
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aircrafts    RE:F-22 clearly superior to the SU-37!   12/28/2005 10:23:53 AM
that's right i am not a freak following the news. yet I would like to see more reasons for the statement F-22 clearly superior to the SU-37! they just don't exist
 
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tianjinrob    RE:F-22 clearly superior to the SU-37!   12/28/2005 10:24:58 AM
Wow, and just when we all thought the they couldn't get any more patriotic(aka:dumber), along comes aircrafts to prove us all wrong. This guy just doesn't know when to stop. ANSWER THE FERKING QUESTION(s), or don't even try. You're embarassing yourself.
 
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aircrafts    RE:F-22 clearly superior to the SU-37!   12/28/2005 10:40:42 AM
sorry i don't answer stupid question as i mentioned before, I advise u to try to answer your stupid questions yourself i am sure u got stacks of them.
 
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displacedjim    RE:F-22 clearly superior to the SU-37!   12/29/2005 10:46:56 AM
"that's right i am not a freak following the news. yet I would like to see more reasons for the statement F-22 clearly superior to the SU-37! they just don't exist+ -- air ---- Well, I certainly agree in part with you, the Su-37 essentially doesn't "exist," at least not as a fighter aircraft. The one or maybe a couple that Sukhoi has are nothing more than a technology demonstrator. On the other hand, over 50 combat-capable F-22s are in service, including the aircraft being used in Florida and Nevada to develop operational procedures and tactics, as well as the 27th Fighter Squadron in Virginia. There will be a couple more fighter squadrons operational within the year, and at least 150 F-22 in front-line service within a couple years. At that time, there will still only be a couple Su-37 technology demonstrators in Russia. Displacedjim
 
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TankFREAK    RE:F-22 clearly superior to the SU-37!   1/11/2006 4:50:16 PM
Wow, coming back to this thread is hilarious, me a russian fanboy. LOL LMAO LMFAO. WOW U GUYS DON"T KNOW A THING ABOUT ME AND U CALL ME A RUSSIAN FANBOY. Just cause i like ONE particular russian plane, doesn't mean i'm a fanboy, i see that some of us are jumping to conclusions. WOW, I LIVE IN AMERICA, I support americas technology, and proof that i'm not a russia fanboy, the M1A2 tank is clearly superior to the T-90 PERIOD, i would go into detail about how a M1A2 is better than the T-90, but this is a forum about aircraft. Anyways, more things for me to laugh about, Ya, the F-22 must be more manuverable, if it is, why the hell can't it do a kulbit, anyways, i don't frickin care about the X-31, anyways, the head of Russia's airforce has expressed SOME interest in the SU-37 already, so no, it's not just a experimental platform, an experimental platform is the SU-47 Berkut. Anyways, if u guys wannna call me a russia fanboy, i say i have 10x more reason to call u guys US fanboys lol. Anyways, one question about which aircraft is better to see who is a fanboy, which is better? The SU-35, or the F-15C. I will laugh until i die if i see anybody say F-15C lol.
 
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