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Subject: Best advanced jet trainer for 2006
MadRat    4/17/2006 1:16:28 AM
You have the choice from the following for an advanced jet trainer:

Aermacchi SpA MB-339(A) JET TRAINER, ITALY
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Aermacchi SpA M-346 ADVANCED FIGHTER TRAINER, ITALY
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Aero Vodochody & Boeing L159 ALCA ADVANCED LIGHT COMBAT AIRCRAFT, CZECH REPUBLIC
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Avioane Craiova SA & Elbit Systems IAR-99C SOIM LEAD IN FIGHTER JET TRAINER AIRCRAFT, ROMANIA
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BAE SYSTEMS HAWK 60 TRAINER/LIGHT COMBAT AIRCRAFT, UNITED KINGDOM
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BAE SYSTEMS HAWK 100 TRAINER/LIGHT COMBAT AIRCRAFT, UNITED KINGDOM
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BAE SYSTEMS HAWK 200 TRAINER/LIGHT COMBAT AIRCRAFT, UNITED KINGDOM
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BAE SYSTEMS HAWK MK 127 / MK 128 LIFT LEAD IN FIGHTER TRAINER, UNITED KINGDOM
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BAE Systems & BoeingT-45A GOSHAWK TRAINER AIRCRAFT, USA
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EADS CASA C-101 AVIOJET BASIC AND ADVANCED MILITARY JET TRAINER, SPAIN
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EADS MAKO ADVANCED TRAINER AND LIGHT ATTACK AIRCRAFT, GERMANY
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Israel Aircraft Industries (IAI) & Aviation Technology Group Inc (ATG) JAVELIN AJT Mk.20 PHASE2 ADVANCED JET TRAINER, USA
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Israel Aircraft Industries (IAI) & Aviation Technology Group Inc (ATG) JAVELIN AJT Mk.30 PHASE3 ADVANCED JET TRAINER, USA
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Lockheed Martin & Korea Aerospace Industries Ltd. T-50 GOLDEN EAGLE JET TRAINER AND LIGHT ATTACK AIRCRAFT, SOUTH KOREA
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Northrop Grumman T-38 TALON TWIN-JET HIGH-ALTITUDE SUPERSONIC TRAINER, USA
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SIAI Marchetti S211A JET TRAINER, ITALY
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Yakovlev YAK-130 COMBAT TRAINER, RUSSIA
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ArtyEngineer    RE:Best advanced jet trainer for 2006   4/17/2006 1:28:41 AM
Well, based on a "It looks really cool" attitude to aircraft I go for the EADS MAKO, however the YAK 130 dont look to shabby either. Seriously, I think the Hawk family of aircraft have shown that they can be tailored to fit pretty much any nations jet trainer and lead in trainer requirments.
 
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Lawman    RE:Best advanced jet trainer for 2006   4/17/2006 7:52:35 AM
T/A-50, followed by the M346 and Yak 130, and then the Hawk, though it all depends what you are after - if you want a trainer, then the combat capability of the T/A-50 may not be worth it, but if you need a secondary combat capability, then it wins hands down!
 
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DropBear    RE:Best advanced jet trainer for 2006   4/17/2006 7:53:52 AM
Depends on what systems you want to plonk in them. The RAAF Hawk127 LIFT has a cackpit/avionics suite that resembles a RAAF F-18. Right down to the landing gear handle! On the outside it looks like a Hawk but on the inside you'd think you were sitting in a Hornet. Not to mention that it is Sgt.Fletcher plumbed and will/is to qualify for Asraam carriage. Agree with AE, those two do look the biz!
 
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AussieEngineer    RE:Best advanced jet trainer for 2006   4/17/2006 8:44:41 AM
Does that IAI jet strike you as a person with an out of proportion head.
 
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Nichevo    RE:Best advanced jet trainer for 2006 - why not?   4/17/2006 8:53:49 AM
Without screaming, 'splain to me pleez Lucy why such a/c or a/c of their parameters could not do many combat missions for the US? Would it be range? The fact that acquiring a batch of them would cost more than the additional marginal expense of executing more (e.g.) SH missions with existin g craft? Surely avionics issues should be nominal at this stage of the game (viz. Hawk (whatever a Sgt. Fletcher is ;< )) and by definition they should be superlative WVR capable a/c with AIM-9X and a gun. Or AMRAAM if remote cued; I presume they have no suitable radar (?).
 
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DropBear    RE:Best advanced jet trainer for 2006 - why not?   4/17/2006 9:18:11 AM
A Sgt.Fletcher is a plug n play gravy stroker.
 
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Yimmy    RE:Best advanced jet trainer for 2006 - why not?   4/17/2006 10:51:05 AM
I bet if you uprated the Goshawk to Hawk 200 standard you could fit loads of the blighters on a super carrier...
 
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DropBear    RE:Best advanced jet trainer for 2006 - why not?   4/17/2006 11:57:24 AM
It would still only be a short ranged transonic buggy. You may as well refurb hundreds of 1970 era F-5E's too.
 
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Yimmy    RE:Best advanced jet trainer for 2006 - why not?   4/17/2006 12:11:46 PM
The F5E was carrier capable? Anyway, that new American jet trainer looks like a 21st Century F5.
 
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Lawman    RE:Best advanced jet trainer for 2006 - why not?   4/17/2006 12:19:57 PM
If you mean the ATG Javelin, it may look like it, but it really is not a warplane, it is not even in the T-38 category! If you mean the T-50, then I would have to agree, it has a lot of potential as an F-5 replacement - though it is officially Korean, with 'help' from Lockheed.
 
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Yimmy    RE:Best advanced jet trainer for 2006 - why not?   4/17/2006 12:57:12 PM
I meant the Javelin, but yeah I realise it isn't fitted for weapons carriage.
 
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Lawman    RE:Best advanced jet trainer for 2006 - why not?   4/17/2006 1:40:03 PM
The funny thing is that it is not entirely American either! It is part Israeli - presumably for the purposes of making it more attractive for the military.
 
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Heorot    RE:Best advanced jet trainer for 2006 - T-50 flight test   4/18/2006 9:03:57 AM
Fligh International has a flight test report this week. link
 
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asavery    RE:Best advanced jet trainer for 2006   4/18/2006 9:56:06 AM
I am a huge fan of the T/A-50, and really think it could be marketed as a true replacement for the F-5. Sadly, I doubt it will happen - a decade too late and lacking a global conflict needing a large number of "lower"-end combat aircraft.
 
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Yimmy    RE:Best advanced jet trainer for 2006 T50   4/18/2006 1:58:39 PM
Woha.... I just read that article and am very impressed with the T50. I didn't realise it was powered by a 404 and had the capacity for decent radar. This aircraft seems to be very nearly as capable as the Grippen, only in an even smaller package - and that is the oldest stealth tech going. Fill in the rear c0ckpit with an extra fuel tank, and give it the capacity to fire AMRAAM and ASRAAM with a helmet mounted sight, and poorer nations have a first rate aircraft.
 
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