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Subject: F-35A export pricing confirmed -- $58.7 million (2008 USD)
dwightlooi    6/13/2008 8:18:15 PM
For the first time, F-35A export pricing has been confirmed by Lockheed-Martin to foreign jet fighter shoppers. Customers will pay $58.7 million a piece for the privilege to own the world's most advanced and versatile 5th generation fighter. This was recently revealed to Australia and is the same price quoted to Norway by the Pentagon. This pricing is good for the first 368 foreign bound F-35As. It applies even if the early LRIP birds may significantly more to build and later FRP birds somewhat less.

This is significant because it is the first time offer pricing was unambiguously announced and because it is the first time a military fighter is priced like a commercial airliner (with firm, aggregated pricing that is independent of then year construction costs).

US purchases are expected to be lower as export pricing includes an amortized R&D tag reimbursement to the US government whereas US purchases does not.

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dwightlooi       6/13/2008 8:19:02 PM


h*ttp://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23855599-662,00.html
 
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RockyMTNClimber    Is it true?   6/13/2008 8:59:59 PM
 
The new F-35 can fly strike missions of the same type and difficulty as the Nighthawk (F117)?
 
Check Six
 
Rocky
 
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Herald12345       6/13/2008 9:03:49 PM
$58.7 million for a SPARKIE?

Wow! That is a bargain. Goodbye Sukhoi!

Herald
 
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DropBear       6/13/2008 9:54:35 PM
I think that some of the price differential in our budgeting was also due to our exchange rate which is now closer to the $US than it has been in many years.
 
The next hurdle will be whether LM can bring them in within an acceptable timeframe for us. Something Boeing has been unable to do with several of our key projects of late.
 
Curious.
 
 
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DarthAmerica       6/14/2008 3:01:26 AM

 

The new F-35 can fly strike missions of the same type and difficulty as the Nighthawk (F117)?

 

Check Six

 

Rocky


I think more difficult, not just at night, in all weather, can fight back and at lower cost!

-DA
 
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Nichevo       6/16/2008 12:40:55 AM

$58.7 million for a SPARKIE?

Wow! That is a bargain. Goodbye Sukhoi!

Herald


Yeah, but how much would FRANCE have to pay?  lololol

Seriously, is this a commitment, an estimate, a wish?  Astounding to think that they can turn this out quite competitive to an F-16.  We'd certainly better preserve the tooling, processes, etc., on this one.

...Herald, the maildrop you gave me plunked like a pebble in a deep well.  Que email?  Engineering talk.

BTW on killing the dictator, Booth used "tyrannis," eh? 

BTW no, I do not just mean the ruling elite when I say that.
 
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Herald12345    I haven't checked it recently Nichy, O'll look at it.   6/16/2008 1:04:07 AM



$58.7 million for a SPARKIE?

Wow! That is a bargain. Goodbye Sukhoi!

Herald



Yeah, but how much would FRANCE have to pay?  lololol

Seriously, is this a commitment, an estimate, a wish?  Astounding to think that they can turn this out quite competitive to an F-16.  We'd certainly better preserve the tooling, processes, etc., on this one.

...Herald, the maildrop you gave me plunked like a pebble in a deep well.  Que email?  Engineering talk.

BTW on killing the dictator, Booth used "tyrannis," eh? 

BTW no, I do not just mean the ruling elite when I say that.
Tyranis is the word for TYRANT which is not the same as dictator-which is a GREEK concept the Romans "borrowed".

H.
 
 
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Herald12345    Garbage drop.   6/16/2008 1:17:30 AM
"raymondhall64 @yahoo.co.uk" is still active for the while.
 
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perfectgeneral2       6/16/2008 4:22:57 AM
I wonder if the UK will get any discount on the F-35b price (when announced). If some of the price allows for R&D it should be taken into account that we have already contributed to that in money, time and technology.
 
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dwightlooi       6/16/2008 6:11:42 AM
Well, one way to look at it is that the UK should get a full waver of the R&D tag if she buys 200 or 50% waver if she takes 100 airframes. 2 billion out of 40 billion is 5%, 5% of 4000 is 200.

They other way to look at it is that the UK contributed 5% of the R&D funding but got almost 20% of the workshare and development share so she already got a pretty good deal. BAe builds the aft fuselage, the EW subsystem, and RR has the lift fan, roll control system & half of the F136 engine work (if that survives). For R&D work on the F-35, UK companies actually gets more Uncle Sam's dollars than the Queen's pounds by a ratio of about 3:1.
 
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DragonReborn       6/16/2008 6:28:39 AM
The $58.7m price tag is for the F-35A. The UK is not getting the A but the B STVOL Version. IF this passes tests it will probably be more expensive due to the added complexities of STOVL??

Any idea what the price tags looking like? The original plan was to buy 150 frames. 35-40 could be flown from each QE Carrier.

 
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DragonReborn       6/16/2008 6:39:07 AM
Actually most recent news I could find now says we're to get 138
 
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dwightlooi       6/16/2008 9:09:54 AM

The $58.7m price tag is for the F-35A. The UK is not getting the A but the B STVOL Version. IF this passes tests it will probably be more expensive due to the added complexities of STOVL??

Any idea what the price tags looking like? The original plan was to buy 150 frames. 35-40 could be flown from each QE Carrier.

If we keep the R&D tag constant for all export F-35s at ~$10 million, the F-35B should come in at ~$75 million given that the GAO cited a price of $61M in 2006 for the F-35B vs $48.5M for the F-35A. Add $10M and you have $71M.
 
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RockyMTNClimber    The F-35 won't be alone either...   6/16/2008 8:05:37 PM




 
The new F-35 can fly strike missions of the same type and difficulty as the Nighthawk (F117)?

Check Six

Rocky




I think more difficult, not just at night, in all weather, can fight back and at lower cost!

-DA

..... the F-22 is even stealthier, more capable offensively, and can deliver from super sonic speeds (albeit smaller bombs). Wow. Our allies will get this technology that is superior to our old Nighthawk!
 
The best deal in history.
 
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Rocky
 
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dwightlooi       6/16/2008 9:10:47 PM
The F-22 has her shortcomings... it is not equipped the DAS, ETOS, Laser & HMS systems which gives the F-35 better all around situational awareness and superior A2G targeting capabilities. The F-22 is also shorter ranged, lower on endurance and more limited in the types of payloads it can deliver from the internal bays. In fact, one can say that the F-35 can perform all the missions the F-22 can perform -- better in some, worse in others but adequately superior to all existing and projected threats for a good decade or two -- whereas the F-22 can only perform a subset of the missions an F-35A can be tasked with. Most importantly, for the price of an F-22 you can get 2~3 F-35s which gives you better coverage and more firepower.
 
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