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Subject: Double active stealth for Rafale ?
Bluewings12    8/16/2008 3:03:44 PM
Don 't jump on me !

Some French Government papers have been seen on the Net who are actually making a lot of noises on some French military forums .
Unusually , some French Experts have been participating and things are still very cloudy .

I always had interest in ECCMs because Rafale is not a stealth aircraft . I did talk a lot few years ago about SPECTRA (the ECCM suite on Rafale) and I recently posted a paper showing the improvements on SPECTRA for the F2 and F3 software . I still don 't know what those are exactly , but since a week or two things are getting clearer .

First , there is the Red Flag "rumor" saying that Rafale is using a kind of "low powered white noise generation" to hide within the background , leaving the "Agressors" guessing (F-15s and F-16s Red Team). That means that the aircraft is flying low which is the usual French way to penetrate .
Then , that "low powered white noise generation"" seems to be directed at some known radars only (F-15s and F-16s) which indicates known frequency waves and pin-point accuracy .
It seems that a F-15/F-16 cannot detect a low flying Rafale at ...km because of jamming .

Then , there are the French papers themselves .
Page 57 :
h*tp://www.minefi.gouv.fr/performance/performance/politique/2007/10-defense.pdf
and page 59 :
h*tp://www.performance-publique.gouv.fr/farandole/2008/pap/pdf/PAP2008_BG_Defense.pdf

Those are not "confidential" Docs .
Nevertheless , someone came on a french forum and said something like that (rough translation) :
"It is about active cancellation . The F2 software is only able to jam any known radars included in our 'handbook' , but it can also find the frequency and mode used by a doppler radar and guess a LPI lock . The F3 will bring the full trick : near absolute invisibility to all radars through holographic algorithms by using bragg cells with optical treatment , bypassing any numerical calculus so acting in real time"

I understand but I can 't comment .
I do not have enough info on the "second trick" , so I 'll leave it for now .

Cheers .
 
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Bluewings12       8/16/2008 4:04:31 PM
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Physical stealth is the first step toward invisibility . You try to make shapes who reflects the EM waves in different directions rather than on the direction of the emitting aircraft . Good work and nice try some would say .
And that from a head-on POV . It 's better than nothing ...
 
Now , instead to try to hide from EM waves , fool them . StarTreck fans would say "Ah yes ! The Klingon Device !" .
We ' re not far of .
If the Fighter is equipped with 360 deg sensors (as Rafale) , a powerfull bragg cell suite (as Rafale) and some active AESA antennas (as Rafale) , it can make a LPI radar think that it only scan an empty sky or an empty background . The aircraft is just sending the mirror of its own hologram in the background , but without itself . All of this through mirrors and optical treatment : real time .
 
Am I dreaming or ...
 
Cheers .

 
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Shooter2K       9/24/2008 6:19:21 PM
Are you dreaming? No it's more like dilusional irrationality! before the return signal can be sent in "Real Time" it must be proccessed ant that instantly takes it out of the realm of real time! More than that the Rafale is not even Reduced RCS from the front! The shaping of the lower fuse sides to help inlet compression defeats this idea totaly! Then there are the canards and their pivots, leading edge slats or notches, hard points and built in pylons, vortilons and all the other extrainious stuff hung on the plane confirm that it has no stealthy featurs when compaired to the F/A-18E-F! And you want to claim some super sci-fi wizbang system will over come all of those deffects? RIGHT!
 
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