Ditto on the racked off points above - I shall join you gentlemen and from hence forth - ignore him.

 

Softwar

Thanks but no more sandbox for me! I've been back a month or so now. Only sand I see now would be in Long Beach...lol. Hope all is well for you too!

Thank you for your service over there. Your comments and perspective were appreciated and I think we all noticed some subtle shifts in your outlook on some of the subjects debated here on Strategy Page. Talking to veterans about what is going on over there is absolutely essential to developing a picture of our national adventures in the ME for those of US who have not served.

 

Get some babes, sun, and adult beverages. You deserve them.

 

Check Six

 

Rocky

Thanks but no more sandbox for me! I've been back a month or so now. Only sand I see now would be in Long Beach...lol. Hope all is well for you too!

 

Great to hear you're back safe and sound, and hopefully enjoying some R&R.  And most of all -- thank you!

Thanks all I appreciate the well wishes. I really don't know what to say. I'll share this though. When I arrived back in the USA I got stuck on the East Coast for a few days due to weather. The first people to great us were Viet Nam Vets and Volunteers who told us they wanted to be sure we were greeted properly and one of the civilians told us how honored he was to serve us our first meal cooked on US soil. He said he knew that our families would have loved to have that honor and he was glad to be able to do it first. Civilians from the average John Doe to Cops and even a Russian American who actually served in the Red Army during the Soviet-Afghan war. I sat next to him on a plane on my way back to the West Coast and it was so crazy sitting there in my ACUs talking to a former Soviet Soldier and current American Citizen about that part of the world and events in Georgia. I'm rambling on now so to sum it up I had a good homecoming and I hope that we as a nation never backslide away from that. It matters.

Anyway, all this Rafale nonsense is hilarious.  You know, its not a bad plane in theory. Too bad things werent managed better. The Cold War ending the way it did really hurt programs like Rafale. Considering what France was flying before it is really a big technological leap. It made France competitive with other modern nations in terms of 4th Gen fighters. If the funding was there who knows how things would have turned out. But thats just not the way it is. With things rapidly evolving from a technological point of view its going to be very tough for the Rafale to remain viable as a 1st class warplane in the not too distant future. Physics is physics and one must understand inherent design limits. Engineering is about choices and choices are based on requirements. The Rafale was designed to be a late 1980's-1990's platform integrated into that era's defense architectures. It was not designed to be the F-35 or an equivilent. Nor can it be ultimately. The F-22, F-35 and heck even late model F-15s and the Super Hornet are setting todays engineering benchmark challenges. Not to mention ground based IADS continue to evolve in very dangerous directions. Combine this with modern long range trike solutions and its clear that outside of facing off against 2nd teir threats the Rafales viability isn't going to be very easy to maintain and certainly not on the cheap.

 

Fortunately, most likely opponents would be hard pressed to stand against the FAF which is more than capable of holding it's own. Red Flag allows the FAF to refine it's TTPs with the Rafale. But things change and it is why France needs to consider it's post Rafale future very carefully and they need to do it soon. Hanging METEOR off the wings, squeezing an AESA in that small nose will only do so much. Also folks who think nEUROn is then answer need to look a bit more into what nEUROn will do and WONT DO compared to what the Rafale does and needs to do.

 

-DA

I don 't like the way things are turning out , it 's going fat too more personal .

 

Regarding e-Sim and SteelBeasts , if you own the software Steel Beast pro PE or if you know someone who owns it , fire it up , then quit the game . You 'll see a picture slideshow of armored vehicules and the people in the Credits (we 're not many) . You 'll see my name twice .

Modders are not in the credits and they don 'get paid , I did .

 

I will not miss StategyPage .

 

Cheers .

 

 

That is good to hear. At least they will know who I am talking about when I contact them in regard to the concern  I have as a paying customer  why they would tolerate such a blatant anti American and anti Semite bigot on their staff. who bandies their good name about to further his trolling on internet forums.

 

As to you not missing Strategy page, I doubt you yourself will be missed. It will be nice to read informative posts with out you turning every thread into s_hit fest of you posting pure fantasy about the capabilities of a 4th generation fighter that for some reason your ego is obsessive compulsively attached too.

 

Cheers yourself 

That is good to hear. At least they will know who I am talking about when I contact them in regard to the concern  I have as a paying customer  why they would tolerate such a blatant anti American and anti Semite bigot on their staff. who bandies their good name about to further his trolling on internet forums.

 

I find that the Rafale's RCS is now well known and that it is certainly not the least bit stealthy! That WO ESM support the Rafale was not able to do the job.

 

I also note that all the glowing reports are quotes of French AF Officers who's carriers depend on saying that sort of thing! I'd like to see the tapes and AARs! Note that the A2G guys have the least demanding missions of all there as the other guys have to fly SEAD and CAP!

"I will not miss StategyPage ."

Nor will anyone here miss you.

 

 

 

Warpig , that was one year ago and things have changed enormously . What I was saying at that time is even more relevant now . We fly a real F3 , almost complete .

 

Cheers .

This is my translation of a new article from TTU Online:
hxxp://www.ttu.fr/francais/Articles/rafaleredflag.html

The Rafale's First Red Flag

For the armée de l'air, two years after its official entry into service at Saint Dizier, the summer of 2008 was the first opportunity to fully test the Rafale in the context of a large-scale war gaming exercise in the Nevada desert, which came at the conclusion of a long journey journey across the American continent following a crossing of the Atlantic via the Azores.

Planned for a year and a half, the goal of Red Flag is to prepare the French air forces for tactical interoperability. The armée de l'air has taken part in Red Flag on a regular basis since 1981, and nearly all of its combat aircraft types have participated. This time, it was the Rafale's turn, as a prelude to the participation of the Mirage F1CT/CR this fall in Green Flag -- a CAS exercise smaller in scale than Red Flag but which prepares forces for missions currently being undertaken in Afghanistan.

And so, from the 7th to the 22nd August, a detachment of four Rafales from the fighter squadron 1/7 "Provence", based in Saint-Dizier, accompanied by a C-135FR tanker, spent ten days taking part in the fourth Red Flag of 2008, certainly the most demanding -- the closest thing to real war, they say -- for a Western pilot.

The detachment of 85 personnel, under the command of colonel Philippe Poireault, the team's leader, and of the lieutenant colonel Fabrice Grandclaudon, commander of the 1/7, consisted in all of fourteen pilotes, six navigators, an intelligence officer, and 39 mechanics. The detachment consisted of two teams; one for missions during the day and one for missions at night. The roster was rounded out by air commandos responsible for the security of the aircraft.

Taking place immediately following a 10-day base exchange at Luke Air Force Base with F-16s and personnel of the USAF's 309th TFS, the goal of the Rafale's first Red Flag was to compare the Rafale, which the squadron has been flying for two years, with combat aircraft of the same generation (called the 4th generation): F-15Es of the USAFE, F-15Ks of the RoKAF, F-15 and F-16 Aggressors, and Su-30MKIs of the IAF. It should be noted that half of the French participants had participated in the Afghan theater in recent months.

The four Rafale from the 1/7 (numbers 317, 320, 321, and 325) were all two-seaters, of the F2+ standard (and thus very recent), with a total "swing role" capability and whose simulated armament was composed of Mica IR/EM AAMs and rocket-propelled inertially guided AASM/GPS weapons. The missions were supported by the SLPRM (the SAGEM local mission planning and replay system, a mission-planning computer system).

During the ten days of Red Flag, the Rafale Bs undertook a total of four sorties per day, each averaging two hours (1 day strike and 1 night strike), as part of a Blue Air strike package consisting in general of fifty to sixty aircraft. This took place in outside temperatures above 45°C, nearly identical to conditions in Kandahar, Afghanistan. These temperatures were in fact more taxing on the crews and maintainers than on the aircraft; the M88's power reserve at takeoff assuring comfortable levels of thrust at the beginnings of the missions. The aircraft were normally equipped with three large supersonic external tanks of 1200 liters to mimic a heavy war load.

The primary preoccupation of the armée de l'air in coming to Nellis AFB with the Rafale was first to verify the proper integration of the aircraft and its systems in a dense and complex environment of allied aircraft, notably with the participation of EA-6B electronic warfare aircraft and F-16CJs performing SEAD.

General Jean-Pierre Martin, commander of the combat air forces, who even participated in one of the last Rafale B missions over the Nellis range (which is as large as the territory of Switzerland!) during the August Red Flag, commented: "After a year and a half of preparation, the system is in operational service and has been utilised in operatiosn which demonstrates that the capabilities of the aircraft are at the desired level. The Rafale behaved itself very well and fulfilled its part of the missions, and even did so easily thanks to the combination of its sensors and its networking systems (link 16). We can say that, for the first time, in contrast to previous exercises involving Jaguars or Mirage F1s or 2000, the French flew at Red Flag on an aircraft of comparable generation which had nothing to envy those of its American, Korean, and Indian comrades." Also taking into account the mission profiles undertaken in a theater saturated with surface-to-air and air-to-air threats, the Rafale also very well demonstr5ated its capacity to penetrate enemy air defenses thanks to its very capable weapon system to which the new AASM bomb is not a stranger. In fact, if the different participants were not particularly impressed with the "swing role" capacity of the Rafale -- the Su-30MKI, the F-15E Strike Eagle and F-15K Slam Eagle already have it -- it is undeniably the precision of the Rafale's sensors and its standoff air-to-ground armament which impressed the gallery. "On the Rafale, sensor fusion is an extraordinary concept and very successfully implemented. There were never any disagreements between the different sensors", added the commander of the 1/7. The Rafale was present in all of the major missions, and notably participated as "mission commander" for two missions. In the course of "self escort" and "organic escort" missions, the Rafale/F2+ was able to present the full complement of its aerial capabilities of this new aircraft.

Asked about the state of logistics of the Rafale, lt. colonel Grandclaudon remarked that his squadron's logistics are linked via network with the BA113 at St.Dizier (thanks to the Arpagon system which transmits diagnostic information from each aircraft after each mission). This permitted improved tracking of individual aircraft spare parts during the entire Red Flag exercise. Henceforth, maintenance will be curative rather than preventative, consisting of maintenance in real time: only those parts in need of replacement will be changed, which is more economical and allows units to deploy with lighter stocks of spares.

It remains that the French pilots are still waiting for the Damocles laser-designator pods, which should be delivered next year if all goes well, and that many of them wish to one day obtain a helmet-mounted sight like those that the Americans and Indians -- equipment originally intended for the Rafale but which was abandoned for economic reasons. The Link-16 is much appreciated, as is the Spectra which has proven itself a very rich detection system funbctioning in complement with the RBE2 radar. The OSF, for its part, was unanimously praised by pilots for its great usefulness in aerial combat. "It's a sensor we will no longer be able to do without in the future", remarked one captain, "because it gives us such a discreet advantage over the adversary".

The Americans, during the "mass debriefs", lauded the precision of the AASM. Each Rafale can today engage six targets at a time over an extended area, each 250kg bomb having its own ballistics and target coordinates. Moreover, with Link-16, a Rafale can transmit its targeting coordinates with another aircraft better placed to engage the target. Thus, if an aircraft does not reach its target, another can take over and complete the engagement. This is a new weapon which stands to give the Rafale a real asset on the international scene.

A second Rafale squadron, attack squadron 1/91 "Gascogne", should be operational at Saint-Dizier before the end of next year. It will in due course be charged with the nuclear dissuasion mission, operating the ASMP nuclear cruise missile with its Rafale F3 beginning in 2010.

I am going to speak for Darth.  Both of us would simply state that Frog fastjets are ok.  This article however is just pure smack.  The Frog fastjet is about the same as an F-16 A with a C radar.. 

Turd world nations cannot afford 4th gen stealth.  They will build Pucaras and F-5's.  Both fine aircraft in context.