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Subject: Two Rafales crash
usajoe1    9/24/2009 4:52:45 PM
Reuters
Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:45pm EDT

PARIS, Sept 24 (Reuters) - Two French Rafale fighter aicraft from the carrier Charles de Gaulle crashed in the Mediterrenean on Thursday during a test flight, the military said.

One pilot has been rescued, another is still missing.

The Rafale, made by Dassault Aviation, is France's most advanced fighter. Brazil has been negotiating to buy the aircraft, which would be its first export order.

The accident took place about 30 km from the southwestern city of Perpignan. A spokesman for Dassault had no comment.

"It was a training mission, not an operational mission. The search is continuing for the second pilot," an armed forces spokeswoman said. A rescue vessel, a civilian helicopter and two military planes were taking part in the search. (Reporting by Marcel Michelson; editing by Andrew Dobbie)

 
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gf0012-aust       9/24/2009 5:03:38 PM
Lets hope the other pilot gets recovered and is ok..
 
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SlowMan       9/24/2009 5:08:54 PM
There goes Brazil sale...
 
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benellim4       9/24/2009 5:19:56 PM
Amen
Lets hope the other pilot gets recovered and is ok..

 
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Rufus       9/24/2009 5:43:39 PM
"There goes Brazil sale..."
 
That is what is going through your head?
 
You are pathetic.
 

 
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sinoflex       9/24/2009 6:53:55 PM
Hopefully they can locate the pilot before nightfall and that the waters of the Med are warm.
 
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ArtyEngineer    Slowman   9/24/2009 7:26:35 PM

There goes Brazil sale...

You truelly are a pathetic excuse for a human being if thats what you have to contribute to this!!!!  WTF does losing two aircraft in what will likely turn out to be a mid air collison have to do with the sale to Brazil? 
 
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mabie       9/25/2009 1:10:04 AM
Any more details? Did they collide?
 
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StevoJH       9/25/2009 3:53:29 AM
Any news on that second pilot?
 
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Bluewings12       9/25/2009 7:42:29 AM
After a night of research , the second pilot has not been found (I fear the worse) .
 
The DoD and MN are talking about a collision during a dogfight excercise .
 
Cheers .

 
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StobieWan       9/25/2009 10:44:18 AM
That's really bad news- I hope they recover the second pilot - a mid air collision is often fatal to one or both pilots however - it's not always possible to safely eject due to the violence of the collision etc.
 
Fingers crossed for all concerned,
 
Ian
 
 
 
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SlowMan       9/25/2009 11:56:04 AM
@ Rufus

> That is what is going through your head?

Livelihood of many French workers depend on that deal.

@ ArtyEngineer

> WTF does losing two aircraft in what will likely turn out to be a mid air collison have to do with the sale to Brazil?

Would you feel comfortable selecting a fighter that just went down days before you are supposed to have signed the deal???

Now is the worst time for Rafale to crash, but perhaps fate doesn't want to see Rafale exported..
 
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ArtyEngineer       9/25/2009 12:15:07 PM

After a night of research , the second pilot has not been found (I fear the worse) .

 

The DoD and MN are talking about a collision during a dogfight excercise .

 

Cheers .






As soon as I read that 2 birds down during a training flight I knew it could only be a Mid Air Collision, and as someone else commented those type of events are rarely survivable for all involved.
Regards
 
Arty
 
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Rufus       9/25/2009 12:38:08 PM
"Would you feel comfortable selecting a fighter that just went down days before you are supposed to have signed the deal???

Now is the worst time for Rafale to crash, but perhaps fate doesn't want to see Rafale exported.."
 
All fighters crash you stupid kid. 
 
Not only that, but it is almost certain that the cause of this crash was a mid-air collision.   Collisions happen sometimes for a variety of reasons and it says nothing about the quality of the design or its prospects for export. 
 

 
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ArtyEngineer       9/25/2009 12:39:05 PM

@ Rufus



> That is what is going through your head?



Livelihood of many French workers depend on that deal.



@ ArtyEngineer



> WTF does losing two aircraft in what will likely turn out to be a mid air collison have to do with the sale to Brazil?



Would you feel comfortable selecting a fighter that just went down days before you are supposed to have signed the deal???



Now is the worst time for Rafale to crash, but perhaps fate doesn't want to see Rafale exported..

Seriously dude, are you really this stupid?  How does an accident which as much as I hate to say this is more than liklely going to be determined as "Pilot error" have any bearing on the capabilities of the aircraft and as such have any bearing on a procurement decision?
 
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Bluewings12       9/25/2009 3:05:43 PM
SlowMan , do you really think that it is the time and place ?
 
Cheers .
 
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