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Subject: Mirage 2000-9 vs F-22
Phaid    3/6/2010 6:59:51 AM
So, months after the fact, new "leaks" keep coming out of that ATLC exercise in the UAE. The latest one is that a UAEAF Mirage 2000-9, supposedly flown by a French pilot, got an F-22 into its gunsights. Of course there is no information about what type of scenario, if any, was taking place when this occurred. It's also "interesting" that all these "leaks" from the French keep coming out. It's almost like they had some kind of marketing effort and were trying to make an impression on someone.
 
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Das Kardinal       3/16/2010 11:02:48 AM
This forum doesn't have an ignore function ? 
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Rufus       3/16/2010 1:13:24 PM
"This forum doesn't have an ignore function ? 
 
Sigh."
 
 
 
Don't worry, as dysfunctional as the mods are on this board this particular type of troll doesn't generally last long.
 
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jessmo_24       3/23/2010 5:10:32 PM
* Update More quotes from the fighter jocks*
 
AFM 2010, April:


Two articles for 2009 ATLC in UAE, UK/American view and French view:


1. During the 40-day deployment, the six F-22A flew 86 sorties, including 36 DACT sorties (all WVR dogfights) with other airforces.


2. The pilot of F-22A insisted that the six Raptors had been undefeated during the whole DACT sorties and had blown the competition out of the water.


3. Raptor pilot's comment to the opponents:

* To PAF/F-7PG: "Battle hardened pilots with eagerness to learn ; and F-7PG is an interesting asymmetric threat aircraft."

* To UAE AF/Mirage 2000-9 and F-16E/F:

"Highly professional and respectable warriors, the highly maneuverable (especially close-in) Mirage 2000-9s + UAE pilots with 3,000 hours experience gave a real challenge to the young Raptor pilots"

"The avionics of F-16E/F is awesome."

* To French AF/Rafale: "An impressive and good fighter that combines avionics and maneuverability. It is on a par with our F-15s and F-16s, at least."


4. The commander of EC 1/7, Lt Col Fabrice Grandclaudon's response to UK/American claims for ATLC exercise:

"The victory of Raptors over Rafale during six BFM encounters was not an overwhelming one. Not like the one we claimed against the Typhoons after exercise in Solenzara, Corsica during September, 2009 (9 set-up: 8 to 1 for Rafale). "

"The scenario for Rafale's two proud victories (4:0 and 3:1) over Typhoon that I have mentioned was:
* The continuous training slot between FAF and RAF.
* Red team: two Rafales (perhaps plus two Typhoons.....).
* Blue team: four Typhoons.
* The two Rafales of red team stimulated Russian MIG-29 or Su-27 + AA-10C at that time, so they were limited to shoot only at one target at the same time, and they had no fire-and-forget capability ~ That is why Lt Col Fabrice Grandclaudon is so proud for this two victories."


However, according to the article, the number of DACT exercise between RAF and FAF during this continuous training slot (which last for more than 3 weeks) should be much more than just two times. Therefore, it seems that Lt Col Fabrice Grandclaudon didn't tell the complete story and the whole truth........
 
BTW who is  PAF/F-7PG ??
 
 
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gf0012-aust       3/23/2010 5:16:52 PM
BTW who is  PAF/F-7PG ??

Pakistanis. Its a chinese modified Mig-21.  and a capable aircraft.  The romanians don't have F-7's but their israeli modified Mig-21's have also caused a pause when they've been trained with.
 
again, it reinforces that training has a higher impact than technology.  CREF the UAE drivers with 3000hrs.
 
complacency is a bigger killer than anything else on the table.
 
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Rufus       3/24/2010 2:12:06 AM
...and note for the 100th time... these planes are simulating threat aircraft and training, not trying to settle some fanboy debate about which plane is "better."
 
 
 
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LigerFangz       6/2/2014 6:53:18 PM

So, months after the fact, new "leaks" keep coming out of that ATLC exercise in the UAE. The latest one is that a UAEAF Mirage 2000-9, supposedly flown by a French pilot, got an F-22 into its gunsights.

Of course there is no information about what type of scenario, if any, was taking place when this occurred. It's also "interesting" that all these "leaks" from the French keep coming out. It's almost like they had some kind of marketing effort and were trying to make an impression on someone.
Im going to clear this up NOW. Multiple Raptors were stationed in the UAE near Iran, Let me tell you something. That "Kill" WAS NOT A KILL. SHOCKER It looks like a kill but it was not NONE of the photos released by the French Defense ministers were "kills" Besides if it was an aerial battle we KNOW that the F-22 could have spanked that Mirage multiple times. Mirage can barely pull 7.5 Gs.  

- "the French Ministry of Defense released the captures taken by the Rafale’s OSF (Optronique Secteur Frontal) showing an F-22 killed in aerial combat. " 

No, it doesn't represent a kill, it's just a picture through the OSF. None of the OSF pictures released by the French Ministry of Defense represented a kill. 
 
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