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Subject: F-16 vs F-2000 ACM/DACT
DarthAmerica    6/5/2011 8:33:30 PM
Watch and enjoy. ht*p://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAedQ7FMiKo&sns=em -DA
 
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YelliChink       6/6/2011 2:05:28 AM
Danes are operating F-16AM (blk 15 with MLU) which are some of the most deadliest in dog fighting. Besides, ACM/DACT isn't just about two aircraft dueling out. The initial condition matters. Turks and Greeks have been playing this sort of games with F-16C/D and Mirage 2000 for quite a while, and they do this for real.
 

 
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Phaid       6/6/2011 10:12:32 AM
That fits in nicely with what some Pakistani F-16 pilots have to say about their encounters with Typhoons:
 
A: PAF has been participating in the annual Anatolian Eagle exercises since 2004. I have participated in three Anatolian Eagles ? one national and two international.

Q 15: What is the difference between national and international?

A: TuAF conducts annual Anatolian Eagle exercises - one version is national, for TuAF only and the other is international, with friendly air forces. TuAF has honoured the PAF by also letting its pilots fly in the national Anatolian Eagle exercises under Turkish command and wearing Turkish flags and badges. This is a unique honour given only to PAF pilots. The exchange pilots also get to fly TuAF F-16s in the Anatolian Eagle international exercises. So you could have 6 visiting PAF pilots flying their own PAF F-16s and the one PAF exchange pilot flying with the Turks in a TuAF F-16.

Q 16: Any memorable experiences that you would like to share?

A: On one occasion ? in one of the international Anatolian Eagles - PAF pilots were pitted against RAF Typhoons, a formidable aircraft. There were three set-ups and in all three, we shot down the Typhoons. The RAF pilots were shocked.

Q 17: Any particular reason for your success?

A: NATO pilots are not that proficient in close-in air-to-air combat. They are trained for BVR engagements and their tactics are based on BVR engagements. These were close-in air combat exercises and we had the upper hand because close-in air combat is drilled into every PAF pilot and this is something we are very good at.

In any event, between aircraft with over 1:1 thrust-to-weight and 9G turning ability, old school WVR comes down more to the pilots and tactics than anything else.
 
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Brad Piff       6/6/2011 1:48:26 PM
according to the hud the fight is closed at max 6.6 g's
 
but it is evident that the F-16 excells at low speeds...
 
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