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Subject: Aircraft pricing part II
jessmo_24    6/12/2011 5:04:43 PM
how accurate are these numbers ATM? F-22A: * 411.6 million USDs per fighter (209). * $77.4 billion USDs for 188 aircraft. * 2011 GAO's report: http://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-11-233SP EF-2000: * 197.0 million USDs per fighter (100). * 20.2 billion pounds or 31.5 billion USDs for 160 fighter. * 2011 NAO's report: http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...quisition.html. Rafale: * 193.5 million USDs / 142.3 million Euros per fighter (98). * 2009 French MoD's report: http://www.defense-aerospace.com/dae...1-18-02-10.jpg F-35: * 156.7 million USDs per fighter (80). * $385.0 billion USDs for 2,457 aircraft. * 2011 GAO's report: http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d11450t.pdf EA-18G: * 101.3 million USDs per fighter (51). * $11.55 billion USDs for 114 EA-18G. * 2010 Pentagon's report: http://www.defense-aerospace.com/dae...2010_table.jpg F/A-18E/F: * 93.4 million USDs per fighter (47). * $48.09 billion USDs for 515 F/A-18E/F. * 2010 Pentagon's report: http://www.defense-aerospace.com/dae...2010_table.jpg
 
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Phaid       6/13/2011 5:21:20 AM
Those figures reflect the program cost of the aircraft -- the total cost of development and procurement divided by the number of aircraft purchased.  As such they are not "pricing" at all.  Flyaway cost is the correct measure for determining "aircraft pricing".
 
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Salt       10/3/2011 4:59:36 PM
I expect there is going to be quite a bit of "We will lose money on every aircraft sold (to allies), but make it up on the volume" type thinking here.  Which possibly becomes true if they remain in production long enough to have to buy replacement aircraft, but generally never works out in real world economics. Unless there some is real world threat that makes us want to give away F-35s like we did with F-16's, I don't think the production numbers will hit that point.
 
I would be surprised if the unit cost for the F-35B/C ever gets below $180 million USD in real world terms, delivered. The A model has a better chance of getting below that cost, but when dealing with LM I've learned to be a pessimist as far as the final price tag. 
 
Its enough to make you miss the initials McD ... McD had plenty of grift with parts pricing, but in comparison they seem almost honest compared to LM. I wonder how much $180 million USD works out to in chicken dinners?
 
 
 
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LB       10/4/2011 5:04:54 PM
$180 million seems high.  The FY2012 flyaway cost for the LRIP F-35C is $190 million ($156 REC).  The cost will drop below $180 million for production aircraft.  Whether it drops below $150 million for the C is another question.
 
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Eliendhal       10/10/2011 7:20:55 PM
We need to add 7 years (or more ?) before to get the final price . Do you think that the Western financial system will last that long without breaking a couple of time again , giving us another nice financial crisis ?
Which could kill ... almost any program already in trouble .
Better having something nice flying now than ... a possible nothing .
 
 
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