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SYSOP 8/7/2011 7:59:23 AM

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Reactive 12/21/2011 9:31:03 AM

According to the fanboys:

Rafale is low-observable because of its jamming capabilities,

Proof that a powerful radar isn't necessary any more,

The best BVR platform ever developed perhaps short of the F-22,

The best Strike aircraft ever developed,

Aerodynamically optimised and perfect for every altitude band,

As or more survivable than several VLO platforms.

That SPECTRA was an active cancellation suite capable of defeating AESA arrays.

That the large refuelling probe didn't reflect radar as it was RAM coated : )

That Rafale's frontal RCS would be comparable to that of the F-35.

I don't mean this in the wrong way BW but you might find this interesting:

Parts relevant to you: (a)

The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which unskilled people make poor decisions and reach erroneous conclusions, but their incompetence denies them the metacognitive ability to recognize their mistakes. The unskilled therefore suffer from illusory superiority, rating their ability as above average, much higher than it actually is, while the highly skilled underrate their own abilities, suffering from illusory inferiority.

Parts relevant to many of those who debate with you: (b)

Actual competence may weaken self-confidence, as competent individuals may falsely assume that others have an equivalent understanding. As Kruger and Dunning conclude, "the miscalibration of the incompetent stems from an error about the self, whereas the miscalibration of the highly competent stems from an error about others" The effect is about paradoxical defects in cognitive ability, both in oneself and as one compares oneself to others.

I certainly don't place myself in the category of an expert by a long shot, but you actually feel capable of arguing with professionals about things you only have a very basic grasp of, read (a) three times and tell me it doesn't apply to you.

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halloweene 12/21/2011 9:52:34 AM

According to the fanboys:

Rafale is low-observable because of its jamming capabilities,

LO yes VLO no. Noone stated it was a atealth aircraft did I?

Proof that a powerful radar isn't necessary any more,

Again no i just pointed out an argument some ppl use : what's the use of a radar range twice longer then your best missile range? Please note i also said it is at best debatable , peros the longer the radar range the best, if you dont want it you switch it of or downsize its power.

The best BVR platform ever developed perhaps short of the F-22,

Noone said that we said its a good BVR platform one and on (or near on ) par to F22 WVR

The best Strike aircraft ever developed,

Probably, which one do you see on par atm?

Aerodynamically optimised and perfect for every altitude band,

Noone said perfect, certainly not me

As or more survivable than several VLO platforms.

Several VLO platform? Cite me one operational apart from F22? (when it flies)

That SPECTRA was an active cancellation suite capable of defeating AESA arrays.

I didnt say that noone has real clues about SPECTRA having or not active cancellation capabilities. If it has it could be very effective vs missiles, with only little effect on LPIs

That the large refuelling probe didn't reflect radar as it was RAM coated : )

It's not only RAM coated, it is also 45° angled . There are several discretion features on Rafle (including air intakes postitions, bunch of serrated edges etc. If retractable probe had been a big issue it wouldnt have been a big prob to build one.

That Rafale's frontal RCS would be comparable to that of the F-35.

Noone said so. Under other angles, its debatable

I don't mean this in the wrong way BW but you might find this interesting:

Parts relevant to you: (a)

Parts relevant to many of those who debate with you: (b)

Hold on a mirror, you may have a surprise!

Which professionals? shooter? herald? ROTFL

AND I'M NOT BW!

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BWisBack @Reactive 12/21/2011 9:54:50 AM

Rafale is low-observable because of its jamming capabilities, True

Proof that a powerful radar isn't necessary any more, False

The best BVR platform ever developed perhaps short of the F-22, False

The best Strike aircraft ever developed, Possibly

Aerodynamically optimised and perfect for every altitude band, False

As or more survivable than several VLO platforms. Possibly

That SPECTRA was an active cancellation suite capable of defeating AESA arrays. Possibly

That the large refuelling probe didn't reflect radar as it was RAM coated : ) True

That Rafale's frontal RCS would be comparable to that of the F-35. False

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""read (a) three times and tell me it doesn't apply to you"".

I think the Dunning-Kruger effect can be apply to any human being on some specific moment .

Sometimes , it happens to me and sometimes it happens to you and others .

Cheers .

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MK @BW 12/21/2011 10:51:48 AM

I found the max sustainable core temp of the M88-2 ECO :

"The technologies developed are, among others, thermal barriers in monocrystalline blades to withstand temperatures of 2100 ° C" ) .

Any source for this? I'm aware that Snecma has been working on a turbine which can sustain up to 2100 K, but has this technology been implemented into any M88 variant?

The French are known to everbody to make the best FCS and the Rafale was the first fighter to use CDVO (Commande De Vol Optique) : Fly-By-Light (as opposed to fly-by-wire) . It is lighter , more reliable , not prone to corrosion (salty air) and impervious to nuclear blast . All the Rafale pilot praise the FBL and they say that that alone is already giving them an edge on older fighters . No F-Teen is equipped with FBL .

Next to the fact that "best FCS" is a bold claim without proper proof, FBL is certainly something I hear about the first time wrt the Rafale! A credible source would be nice, because EVERY source I have seen (including Dassault, AdA, MN...) states FBW!

It is about Spectra :

""One cannot fail to speak also about the Spectra system of protection and warning established on Rafale, which aims to identify threats to 360 ° around the plane in active or passive mode. It also suppresses the waves around the plane, which hampers its location even with the aid of the most powerful radar. ""

What exactly does this prove? It's nothing but a very basic description of the EWS, which could be applied to others as well, spare the passive detection (DDM), as there aren't to many tactical fighters out their at this point in time which feature such a system.

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heraldabc This is the BS yoiu get. 12/21/2011 11:09:50 AM

When you have to discuss things down to the fanboi level.

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Rafale is low-observable because of its jamming capabilities, True

False.

Holloweene pollution on anothe...

Add to it, the fuel probe, the FLAT 90 degree plate plate of the RBE2 radar and the big honking drop tank every Rafale seems to carry and its an AMRAAM dream shot.

Proof that a powerful radar isn't necessary any more, False

At last he admits Dassault/THALES SCREWED UP

The best BVR platform ever developed perhaps short of the F-22, False

Again, F-35, F/A 18 E/F a few dozen types of American drones and just MAYBE the production model of the PAK-FA and the EF Typhoon crowd ahead of that bird.

The best Strike aircraft ever developed, Possibly

F-35 and the Strike Eagle. Tests for tghe Sparky and COMBAT for the BEAGLE.

Aerodynamically optimised and perfect for every altitude band, False

Quite correct. Its optimised for THICK air as much as it can be.

As or more survivable than several VLO platforms. Possibly

Again false. USAF had no trouble tracking them during Red Flag.

That SPECTRA was an active cancellation suite capable of defeating AESA arrays. Possibly

False. No algorithm, No Threat Library, limited retran radiate power and computers a gen behind their competitors..

That the large refuelling probe didn't reflect radar as it was RAM coated : ) True

FALSE, you cannot put RAM on a fuel probe. Corrosion and surface pitting from JP-mixes are the LEAST of your worries.

That Rafale's frontal RCS would be comparable to that of the F-35. False

Correct. The comparison is between a RAM coated barn door and a sparrow. The Rafale is NOT the sparrow.

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""read (a) three times and tell me it doesn't apply to you"".

I think the Dunning-Kruger effect can be apply to any human being on some specific moment .

Sometimes , it happens to me and sometimes it happens to you and others .

Incorrect. I make mistakes and admit them, when I find them. You, BW? You have to be cornered like a r at.

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heraldabc This is the BS yoiu get. 12/21/2011 11:10:36 AM