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Subject: MiG-21 - still unpleasant surprise at Cope India exercise
misha    12/25/2012 8:13:29 AM
Draft copy of the exercise Cope India report says: While the superb performances of IAF Sukhoi-30s were somewhat anticipated, the performance of MiG-21Bison came as a major ?unpleasant surprise? to the USAF officials. It also validates the claim of the Russian officials that they are capable of successfully converting ?second generation? late-model MiG-21bis fighters to ?fourth generation combat platforms?. Inherently the significant positive attributes enjoyed by MiG-21s were their dog fighting ability in WVR (Within Visual Range) combat. Even the earlier models had a low corner velocity of 556 kilometers per hour and at Mach 0.5 had an instantaneous turn rate of 11.1 degrees per second. The MiG-21Bison with more powerful R-25 engines not only considerably bettered this performance but it may also be credited with ?jackrabbit? acceleration, a very critical attribute in WVR combat. Something in-line to: http://www.amazon.com/Fighter-Performance-Practice-Unexploited-maneuverability/dp/8660210174/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1356439329&sr=1-1 Among many fourth generations attributes added to the IAF MiG-21Bison design, the incorporation of HMS (Helmet Mounted Sight) and high-off-boresight R-73RDM2 NBVR/WVR (Near Beyond Visual Range/Within Visual Range) AAMs (Air-to-Air Missiles) have turned it into a ?Great Equalizer? in the WVR combat scenario. Conceptually a small number of MiG-21Bisons maintaining ?radar silence? can be guided towards their aerial target by a couple of Sukhoi-30s by secure data links in accordance with MFFC (Mixed Fighter Force Concept). Upon entering into an WVR combat envelope the MiG-21Bisons armed with HMS and deadly NBVR/WVR missiles had the capability of destroying even fifth-generation fighters alike F/A-22 Raptor as assessed by high-profile Fighter Analyst Ben Lambeth of RAND Corporation. According to Lambeth ?in visual combat everybody dies at the same rate.? F/A-22 also has to slow down if forced into a WVR combat scenario and loses the advantage of its super-cruise attributes. The situation further complicates if the IAF Sukhoi-30s have acquired the capability of providing target illumination for RVV-AE (AA-12 Adder) BVR missiles being launched from IAF MiG-21Bisons at extended ranges.
 
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WarNerd       12/25/2012 9:58:34 AM
The MiG-21 has always been a superb dogfighter as compared to later generation fighters.
But the design’s ability to extend beyond that range is limited by its inability to mount a large radar set.  So I am not convinced that it fully qualifies as a 4th generation fighter.
 
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Reactive       12/25/2012 11:17:19 AM
Yes and good luck "forcing" an object supercruising at 60 000 feet into a dogfight, or "sneaking up" on it. 
 
 
 
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45-Shooter       12/30/2012 12:29:01 PM

Draft copy of the exercise Cope India report says: ...
...Among many fourth generations attributes added to the IAF MiG-21Bison design, the incorporation of HMS (Helmet Mounted Sight) and high-off-boresight R-73RDM2 NBVR/WVR (Near Beyond Visual Range/Within Visual Range) AAMs (Air-to-Air Missiles) have turned it into a “Great Equalizer” in the WVR combat scenario.Then why on Earth would you need high maneuverability? Let him dogfight the MISSILE! Conceptually a small number of MiG-21Bisons maintaining “radar silence” can be guided towards their aerial target by a couple of Sukhoi-30s by secure data links in accordance with MFFC (Mixed Fighter Force Concept).Just because they are "silent" what is to keep the LPOI Radars of the best 4/5 Gen Western Fighters from shooting thyem down? Along with their Su-30 friends? Upon entering into an WVR combat envelope... Before you can enter WVR Combat, you have to survive BVR Combat! ...


 
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