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Subject: How to judge what the best fighter plane is?
45-Shooter    1/3/2013 5:09:26 PM
I would list the following traits in the order of their importance; 1. Cruising speed under combat conditions. 2. Range/Persistence under combat conditions. 3. Flight qualities, specifically the ability to point the nose at the target easily and a very high rate of roll. 4. CL Guns with high MV/BC and rates of fire. 5. Pitch response, IE the rate at which you can load the plane. 6. Climb at Military Power. In WW-II terms, that means ~75-80% throttle, rich mixture and appropriate pitch on the prop.( A setting that can be held for at least 30 minutes!) 7. Top speed! To escape or run down the target. 8. Lastly the ability to turn in the so called "Dog Fight"! After you rate these choices, I'll mark the list with what I think is the strength of each atribute.
 
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45-Shooter       2/12/2013 10:40:23 PM

Incompetent.
B.

 



Calling names will not change the absolute fact that you were wrong, are wrong ans always will be wrong about this! 
 
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Belisarius1234    The fact that you don't know aircraft...    2/12/2013 11:38:50 PM
and I do?
 
Incompetent is not calling you a name. It is a fact, much like pointing out you cannot read data, handle numbers or tell the truth.
 
You don't even know why your setup is an impossible guns solution (off angle, over shoot,  myopia and bullet drop. though THREE qualified people told you exactly THAT why.)
 
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45-Shooter       2/14/2013 11:50:05 AM

You don't even know why your setup is an impossible guns solution (off angle, over shoot,  myopia and bullet drop. though THREE qualified people told you exactly THAT why.)B.
1. What is the "Off angle" you mention and where does it come from? ( Do you mean "Angle off" as it is used in BFM and ACM classes?)
2. How do I over shoot the target, if it blows up, is turning one direction when I am going to reverse my turn before he starts to reverse his. (He has to see me do this before he can react and make his move and finally used up all his energy/speed pulling 6 Gs when I had 50 MPH in hand and only pulled 4Gs.) Right! 3. "myopia" Please explain. 4. Exactly what is the bullet drop at 300 yards and how does it compare to the width and hieght of the target's fuselage? (One more right to contemplate!) 5. Which three and how are they "qualified"?
You miss the entire point of the excercise! There is no way to escape if the attacker can get to the defined starting possition in the problem! The only defense is not to get caught in the trap in the first place.


You continued attack based on poorly defined and incorect assumptions boggles my mind! Why not just admit that you are ignorant of the tactics, mechanics and most other facts as they relate to ACM, BFM and how they affect the problem posted.
 
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Belisarius1234    I don't repeat myself.    2/14/2013 7:01:30 PM
The fact that you don't even KNOW how Randy Cunningham applies is all the proof needed.
 
Go learn something and quit bullshipping. 
 
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45-Shooter       2/14/2013 7:15:40 PM

The fact that you don't even KNOW how Randy Cunningham applies is all the proof needed.
Go learn something and quit bullshipping. 
B.
Who said anything about him and when?
 
 

Given his experiances and and the fact that he downed all five of his targets with guided missiles how does that apply to a guns ambush problem?

 
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45-Shooter    Randy Cunningham   2/18/2013 6:31:10 PM

Incompetent.
B.
Why on earth do you think an Ace is incompetent?

 
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Belisarius1234    well...   2/18/2013 8:25:52 PM
1. He's serving/served time in prison for malfeasance, when he was practically handed a Congressional seat as a GIFT?
 
2. But as usual, you bumbler, that is NOT the fact under discussion. As fighter pilots go, his most famous aerial victory despite the missile kill shows everything I said which is WRONG with your stupid example. he overshot, because he was wrong aspect to the turn (off angle to the tangent [look it up]) and was in pursuit lead on his target when he should have backed off the power a little. The alleged 'Toon' had the guns solution on him on the overshoot, but for some stupid reason failed to pull the trigger, giving Cunningham his second chance in one of the longest rolling scissors air fights history records. Both men jockeyed a dozen times for pursuit lead until Cunningham remembered that he was supposed to use MISSILE tactics and finally did.  The Sidewinder is lag-pursuit signal chase ALL THE WAY killer, so Cunningham should have handled the Phantom lag pursuit that way from the beginning. He forgot the basics.
 
You don't even know the basics...
 
Such as your idiot comment about the hard break, that the defender has to react to the attacker. Incompetent, once the defender BREAKS he seizes the maneuver initiative and the attacker FOLLOWS. Get it? Of course not. In Shooter's world everything is IDEAL and happens as he imagines. Like that Mosquito manual, when I warned you that you didn't know what you discussed.   
 
You don't know OODA or energy tactics at all. You don't even know math. If you did, you'd know that your numbers were bogus. But we already discussed that the times and distances are wrong didn't we?
 
Next time you cut and paste CHECK your arithmetic.
 
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45-Shooter       2/18/2013 9:22:23 PM


and I do? ( Know aircraft?)
How can you claim this when you do not know the dimentions of the B-17's tall and wide, but short Bom b B a y? 
Incompetent is not calling you a name. It is a fact, much like pointing out you cannot read data, handle numbers or tell the truth.
All acusations that have never been prooven. Like the falacious calcs from the posted Mossy pilot's manual that show a 10 hour cruise capacity! Right! How about answering that one?
 
You don't even know why your setup is an impossible guns solution (off angle, over shoot,  myopia and bullet drop. though THREE qualified people told you exactly THAT why.)
But it is absolutely possible! It is not "Off angle" It IS locked at "6 O-Clock". The target gets destroyed and the possibility of "Overshoot" is also impossible because if the shooter misses, he simply uses the huge advantage in energy to zoom climb away while the shootee is low, slow and out of energy because of his use of so much angle of attack to pull those "6 Gs"!
How about explaining those facts?        
 

B.
You make many wild claims, but have failed to post a single proof of those claims!
How about it?

 
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45-Shooter       2/18/2013 11:25:18 PM

Such as your idiot comment about the hard break, that the defender has to react to the attacker. Incompetent, once the defender BREAKS he seizes the maneuver initiative and the attacker FOLLOWS. yes he does follow, but he is shooting all the way! Get it? Why do you fail to get this simple fact? Of course not.  Like that Mosquito manual, when I warned you that you didn't know what you discussed.   Since I did do the correct calcs, and no-one else did, why am I wrong? 

You don't know OODA You mean Observe, Orient, Deside and Act? or energy tactics at all. Like maintaining the attacker's energy while the desperate target spends his energy trying to evade certain death? You don't even know math. If I do not know math, why is my discription of the scenario correct and yours is wrong? If you did, you'd know that your numbers were bogus. Your claim is what is wrong and I have made numerous posts to proove that fact and you have failed to make one post with any valid rebuttal, just spouting the same old drivvel. But we already discussed that the times and distances are wrong didn't we? No, you made statements about this which were obviously wrong. The distances are correct! I know you did not even try to graph the problem, because if you had, you would have seen the beauty of it.

 

Next time you cut and paste CHECK your arithmetic. It's not arythmatic, it is geometry! And my geometry is perfect! It is your failure to understand that fact that lets you try to hide the facts of same with this bogus claim of bad maths. The Target has to do something, or he dies right then. So the choises are pull hard back on the stick, roll the plane and then pull back on the stick, or lastly some combination of those two actions with rudder. IF the target starts to roll, his plane goes straight while the plane changes attitude. The Shooter is hosing him at this time for the 1-2 seconds that it takes most planes to roll any significant amount! Then the Target pulls back on the stick to generate G and horse the Target around the circle. For the first fraction of a second the Shooter continues to hose the Target using small rudder and fore/aft stick moves to change the point of aim just a scooch, but at the same time starting about 1/4 second after the target, he also rolls. Then about 1/4 second behind the Target in the roll, he matches the Target's bank about 1/4 second after the Target. his speed advantage has let him close to about 256 yards/meters. The Shooter then starts to pull back on the stick and in just half a second later his nose is pointed at the Target's future possition! In less than 1/4 second, the bullet stream is on the target and he then dies IF the burst is on target. Over the next 11.2 seconds, the Shooter continues to track and hose the Target until he is only 50 yards/meters behind and 15 degrees angle off! By now the target is destroyed or not. If down, the a roll off the turn and a pull translates the 50 MPH speed difference into zoom climb! The target has pulled more G and bled more speed, so his options are limmited. Take your pick. No mater which move the Target tries, he is easily hosed because the line of fire streaches from the nose vector, not the location. So at 915M/S MV, it takes just over 1/4 second for the bullet stream to traverse the distance between them. So how far can the target move in a lateral direction during that 1/4 second it takes the bullet stream to close the Target? Wrong maths? Right!

 
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45-Shooter       2/18/2013 11:26:47 PM
Watch this video!
 
 
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