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Subject: Modify the B-17 into night bomber/low altatude streak bomber?
45-Shooter    2/14/2013 3:55:59 PM
Given the multiple lines of debate; B-17 Vs Lancaster Vs Mossy, I post the following question; To convert the B-17 from a day bomber into a night/streak bomber, remove the top, bottom and chin turrets, remove the waist and cheek guns and gunners, relocate the flight deck to just behind the bombadier's space so that there is onlythree or four crew! Install large spinners on the props and install a single 20 mm auto-cannon on a flexible "X" bow mount in the plexi nose. Reduction in frontal area, weight and increases in streamlinning make flight both much faster and much more efficient! Since there is room for four 4,000 pound MC bombs in the bomb bay, the shakles should be modified to hold those four heavy bombs if the larger shakle does not fit now. Otherwise eight 2,000 pound bombs should be the standard load. Given the 210-220 knot cruising speed of the Mossy required to make the placard range, the new faster B-17N/S should offer more of everything that makes the Mossy so neat?
 
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Maratabc       3/12/2013 5:36:19 PM
I show him the picture of a BF 109Z, old but not wise, and he does not understand?
 
Is he deficient?
 
 
Motor cannon.
 
 
 
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oldbutnotwise       3/12/2013 5:38:09 PM
that didn't work last time you tried it and it wont fly this time either
 
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oldbutnotwise       3/12/2013 5:40:28 PM
I think he must be, he argues despite being proved wrong and even tells experts in the field that they don't know what they are talking about
 
 
 
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45-Shooter       3/12/2013 5:47:20 PM

To explain to others why the the 108's were MOTOR CANNONS and not cowl guns...
 
It appears that the man who has wasted so many posts cannot be trusted to post the simple truth, nor can he be expected to be honest.
Sad really.

Sorry about all of the last half dozen posts! I was obviously mistaken because I FAILED to understand Z=Zwilling! I was thinking of the things I knew and then interpolating into the facts of that first website. I blew it!
Back to stage one. See the picture in the first of this serries of posts that shows the cut away of the Me-109's nose. See the amount of room under the cowl as it relates to the size of the gun's recievers!
Then understand the Rustaz Kits that alowed the operators to mount two 30 mm MK-108s under the wings, regardless of what is in the nose and the second RUSTAZ Kit that allowed the pilot to mount a conventional 30 mm MK-103 under the wing CL at the hard point that holds the CL bomb rack. There are two versions of the MK-103. The first is the standard type and the second was the "M", or Modified type that can fit into the 70 mm hole through the motor cannon possition!
I sincerely thought they had built a Me-109 with five 30 mm cannons in it. Because I know that they could have IF they wanted to! There is that much room under the cowl of the Me-109K and late model G types!

 
 
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45-Shooter       3/12/2013 5:50:33 PM

I show him the picture of a BF 109Z, old but not wise, and he does not understand?
Motor cannon. 



See the prior post with my appology and Mia Culpa! 
 
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Jabberwocky       3/12/2013 11:37:02 PM
How many MK 103Ms did they make Shooter?
 
How many Bf-109s were they fitted to?
 
The answer, to both questions, is ONE.
 
The mounting in the single Bf-109K-10 it was fitted to was considered unsuccessful, so the programme was abandoned.
 
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45-Shooter       3/15/2013 12:34:24 AM





To explain to others why the the 108's were MOTOR CANNONS and not cowl guns...



 

It appears that the man who has wasted so many posts cannot be trusted to post the simple truth, nor can he be expected to be honest.

Sad really.





Sorry about all of the last half dozen posts! I was obviously mistaken because I FAILED to understand Z=Zwilling! I was thinking of the things I knew and then interpolating into the facts of that first website. I blew it!

Back to stage one. See the picture in the first of this serries of posts that shows the cut away of the Me-109's nose. See the amount of room under the cowl as it relates to the size of the gun's recievers!

Then understand the Rustaz Kits that alowed the operators to mount two 30 mm MK-108s under the wings, regardless of what is in the nose and the second RUSTAZ Kit that allowed the pilot to mount a conventional 30 mm MK-103 under the wing CL at the hard point that holds the CL bomb rack. There are two versions of the MK-103. The first is the standard type and the second was the "M", or Modified type that can fit into the 70 mm hole through the motor cannon possition!

I sincerely thought they had built a Me-109 with five 30 mm cannons in it. Because I know that they could have IF they wanted to! There is that much room under the cowl of the Me-109K and late model G types!

 

Note that some of the links did not work and I did not see the pic of the twin-109Z before I wrote this reply!

 
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Maratabc       3/15/2013 12:39:41 AM
Unacceptable. If you make the claim and are shown wrong, and still deny it, then you must accept the consequences.
 
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45-Shooter       3/15/2013 12:48:20 AM


How many MK 103Ms did they make Shooter?

 

How many Bf-109s were they fitted to?

 

The answer, to both questions, is ONE.

 

The mounting in the single Bf-109K-10 it was fitted to was considered unsuccessful, so the programme was abandoned.

Then it's at least one and it must have been the plane my old Land Lord flew! He thought it was the cat's meow as far as knocking down bombers!

 
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oldbutnotwise       3/15/2013 4:42:30 AM
which bit of a NON Operational test do you not get?
 
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