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Subject: Modify the B-17 into night bomber/low altatude streak bomber?
45-Shooter    2/14/2013 3:55:59 PM
Given the multiple lines of debate; B-17 Vs Lancaster Vs Mossy, I post the following question; To convert the B-17 from a day bomber into a night/streak bomber, remove the top, bottom and chin turrets, remove the waist and cheek guns and gunners, relocate the flight deck to just behind the bombadier's space so that there is onlythree or four crew! Install large spinners on the props and install a single 20 mm auto-cannon on a flexible "X" bow mount in the plexi nose. Reduction in frontal area, weight and increases in streamlinning make flight both much faster and much more efficient! Since there is room for four 4,000 pound MC bombs in the bomb bay, the shakles should be modified to hold those four heavy bombs if the larger shakle does not fit now. Otherwise eight 2,000 pound bombs should be the standard load. Given the 210-220 knot cruising speed of the Mossy required to make the placard range, the new faster B-17N/S should offer more of everything that makes the Mossy so neat?
 
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marat,jean       7/2/2013 9:39:24 AM
When the Americans decided to do so in 1944.
 
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oldbutnotwise       7/2/2013 9:44:25 AM
do what? the Vulcan project was started in 46
 
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marat,jean       7/3/2013 5:37:49 AM
1944 US navy.
 
The American army took it over in 1946.

do what? the Vulcan project was started in 46

 
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oldbutnotwise       7/3/2013 6:42:14 AM
Not according to the sources I can find, the M61 was an army project from start to finish, the US navy had moved to a version of the HS404  the M3 and then later to the M12 none of which they really got sorted
 
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oldbutnotwise       7/3/2013 6:46:05 AM
Something I found, the F4D-1 Skyray had its 4x 20mm mounted in the wings, this was a 50s design and yet used wing guns - something our friend shooter said had not happened
 
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45-Shooter       7/4/2013 1:36:40 AM


 
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45-Shooter       7/4/2013 1:37:42 AM


Something I found, the F4D-1 Skyray had its 4x 20mm mounted in the wings, this was a 50s design and yet used wing guns - something our friend shooter said had not happened

I was wrong! That makes it the only post war jet with wing mounted guns!

 
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marat,jean       7/4/2013 6:55:05 AM
Now the Swedish air force calls you foolish.


Something I found, the F4D-1 Skyray had its 4x 20mm mounted in the wings, this was a 50s design and yet used wing guns - something our friend shooter said had not happened

I was wrong! That makes it the only post war jet with wing mounted guns!


 
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Jabberwocky       7/4/2013 7:58:07 PM
And the Supermarine Attacker.
 
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45-Shooter       7/8/2013 3:23:13 PM
How wrong you are! Guns mounted in the wing roots are so close to the CL that there is no diversion of the cone of fire from the LoS! Note that I stated same when I mentioned the Fw-190 and Ta-152. This same argument also applies to the F-15/16. It also applies to planes with guns mounted in or near their inlets, etc.
While I feely admit that the F-4D had wing mounted guns, most if not all, had them plated over when they installed the missiles! So, if they never used them and removed them from most of the planes, does it really count as wing mounted guns?

Now the Swedish air force calls you foolish.







Something I found, the F4D-1 Skyray had its 4x 20mm mounted in the wings, this was a 50s design and yet used wing guns - something our friend shooter said had not happened



I was wrong! That makes it the only post war jet with wing mounted guns!




 
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