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Subject: Iran Reinvents Cruise Missiles
SYSOP    1/27/2015 6:05:21 AM
 
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Nate Dog    not a missile   1/28/2015 12:23:55 AM
Not any kind of weapon really.
A slow, noisy, big flying object hardly poses any kind of serious threat to anyone other than the most primitive forces.
Even to them, a 3 meter wide UAV, that can be heard from miles and miles away, moving at around 100 kph hardly poses a serious threat. 
i'm not sure who the Iranians think they could deploy this against? Even ISIL has enough weaponry to make these particularly ineffective.
 
 
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FlamesInTheDesert       1/28/2015 1:56:57 AM
Actually iran presented one of its scan eagle clones to the head of the russian air force,so it certainly looks like iran is producing these,not to mention that the jihadis in syria have shot down a couple
 
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WarNerd       1/28/2015 1:52:18 PM
Not any kind of weapon really.
A slow, noisy, big flying object hardly poses any kind of serious threat to anyone other than the most primitive forces.
Even to them, a 3 meter wide UAV, that can be heard from miles and miles away, moving at around 100 kph hardly poses a serious threat. 
i'm not sure who the Iranians think they could deploy this against? Even ISIL has enough weaponry to make these particularly ineffective.
Fly it 1000m up (2000m to 3000m is more normal) and the ISIS has very little that can reach it, beyond 2000m they have nothing.
 
Most of the drones used by the troops have similar characteristics. They wouldn’t have been so useful if they were that vulnerable.
 
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Nate Dog    Nerd   1/28/2015 4:41:03 PM
Read the article.
This isn't about Iran producing surveillance drones (clearly a much more useful war weapon then a dinky little missile). They already have multiple lines of production of varying kinds of just such drones.
The article stated that Iran is re-inventing the cruise missile with a converted scan eagle type craft. 10Kg warhead on a 20kg air frame, range of 100kms, speed of 100kph. 
That isn't a weapon is all I'm saying.
Flying, low, slow and loud, without much explosives is not a useful weapons system. 
 
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WarNerd    Nate   1/29/2015 6:14:52 PM
It can follow the same flight profile until it dives on the target.  Probably easier to find the target at altitude anyway and you don't need terrain avoidance radar like if you come in nape-of-the-earth.
 
But I think we can all agree that putting a 10kg warhead in a 100km drone doesn't make a lot of sense.
 
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keffler25       1/29/2015 7:18:01 PM
What if it is simple applied terrorism? $10,000 auto pilot steered plane wastes a $100,000 interceptor missile?
 
It makes a kind of stupid sense in the dollars and cents department. (How much does a dumb terrorist to launch the drone cost to the old cowardly bastards who send him off to be killed for some idea about 'paradise and virgins'? Even the college educated idiots only cost a few hundred dollars in that part of the world. It's the drone that is 'relatively' expensive.) Hence the research into MASERS. Beam weapons costs per shot are cheaper (a few dollars) and the citizens of Tel Aviv can sleep more soundly at night because the same beam weapon makes a barbecue of the drone and serves up the dumb terrorist medium rare to well done if he gets caught in the beam when it is switched (follows the drone path back to the launch point) and is used in the ground role to sanitize it.
 
Lightning cooked long pork. There must be something objectionable about that in the Qur'an?

 

But I think we can all agree that putting a 10kg warhead in a 100km drone doesn't make a lot of sense.

 
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Nate Dog    Hadn't considered the cost effective angle   1/29/2015 11:42:26 PM
Is is cheaper to build 200 unguided Katyushas or 1 of these crappy yes still guided dinky guided missiles. 
Certainly the morale effect of hearing the launch of hundreds of rockets is far greater than one little whinny thing approaching, but would probably be equally as effective. So, from a financial incentive, make your enemy spend itself to death, its probably not the worst idea. I don't know how well lasers will do at the counter strike roll. They look to be getting up there as far as short range intercept capability, but at any kind of range, think theres all kinds of issues we haven't overcome.
 
Meanwhile, this is now happening.
 
 
No offence to you americans, but your President is a fucking imbecile.
There simply can not, CAN NOT be one single advisor that stated, sure, i'll put my name on this, i think its a swell idea to hand our tanks over to a sectarian militia. Or allow it to get there through negligence.
Just…….
Wow. 
 
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keffler25       1/30/2015 11:31:46 AM
There is one thing lasers can do in an atmosphere, Nate. Lay down an ionization (ground) path. Then comes the lightning.
 
Barbecued terrorist. 
 
 
 
 
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Nate Dog    Thanks Keffler   1/31/2015 8:07:53 AM
I thought i was fairly well versed in the uses of lasers in combat environments, future planning, limitations.
I had briefly read about this 15 years ago as a curiosity.
I had no idea that not only is the idea viable, but is back in mainstream research.
Been reading for 3 days straight and going. Fascinating.
 
 
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IndividualAnon       2/2/2015 12:55:26 PM
Forgive the ignorance, but would that work when there is no thunderstorm overhead?
 
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