Not yet. The commies still want to invade Taiwan so that any proof that Chinese can do democracy is destroyed.

I have been to Taiwan and the concept of re-unifications is so dead.

Not amongst the people I've dealt with.  They're more than ready to sink some PLAN vessels and take on their airforce.

There is no love lost between them, and they know that the mainland is more than willing to take taiwan by force so as to have a decent aircraft carrier to push the US further back.  The CSI is certainly gearing up for fighting a war.

 

Taiwan is just not an emotional link - its a strategic asset - and they know that the mainland will do a full 360 if they cannot seduce the govt.

 

i seriously doubt that any taiwanese in positions of knowledge and authority would speak to you.  Culturally they're not open to political discussions with strangers - esp non chinese. - that takes years of confidence building.  Its also an issue of "how they play" - strangers  and non chinese are not trusted unless they have long term established links and can be vouched for.

 

The politicians might vacillate due to the fact that some are tame and have been compromised by the mainland - but the military are more than willing to fight it out if they have to.

It might happen if the PRC becomes a true democracy.  Maybe then...and even then, it would be a slow, gradual process.

 

The Chinese can do democracy. They can do it better than the
west, if they can give up on communism. But the communists will do what ever
they can to hold on power. They will ever murder the Chinese citizens to keep
power. The nemesis is not China
but the communists.

I'm sure the Chinese can do democracy. But the idea that they can do it better than the West is silly. Just look at what has transpired in Taiwanese politics since it adopted democracy. It's a circus there, complete with clowns and circus animals.

The longstanding tradition of Chinese politics is what I'll call the will to empire. This is why China is a single country instead of a collection of independent nations just like Europe. The will to empire is why none of rulers of the component kingdoms in what is now China was ever content with his particular slice of the world. It was also why no system of alliances among those kingdoms ever held for any length of time. European nations have stayed independent all these years because their rulers are capable of compromise and limited goals. Chinese rulers will stake everything on winning absolute power or losing it all. This is why those independent kingdoms are now lost to posterity. And it is why China, democratic or Communist, will continue to pose a major threat to the countries on its periphery. In a sense, it is better that China stays Communist, since that will limit the growth of Chinese power.

Circus indeed they are, but they still don't mess up with taxing as well as freedom of the people. Democracy is designed to ensure liberty of the people, not to prevent politicians run government like a circus. Better to have a circus democracy than circus dictatorship.

Quick Chinese history. Han people ceased to expand after the downfall of Tang dynasty. That's about 800AD. My theory is that Han people finally ran out of space expandable. To the north, the great prairie is for nomads and unarable. To the west, the great plateau is either desert or prairie and also unarable. To the south, the southern Vietnam is too far and difficult to communicate via land route, and the northern Vietnam is lost after locals created an independent kingdom after the fall of Tang. During the Northern Song, the terriroty of the Empire is acutally far smaller than it is today, and mostly Han dominant lands. Mongols destroyed almost all independent kingdoms in the area. Jing (then in Northern China), Xia (in Northwestern China between Xinjing and "Central China"), Dali Kingdom (In Southwestern China, east of Tibet) as well as Vietnam and Korea. Tribal fightings among Mongols helped Han to regain control over Han territories, and, after bloody war for throne among Hans, Ming was established in late 14th Century. Then, in mid 17th Century, Manchurians came in the time when Ming was in turmoil and took over Ming and subjugate Han people under the Empire of Qing dynasty. The China as we know today is the result of Qing's expansion during the whole 17th century. Manchurian maintained alliance with Mongols and Tibetans, while crushing tribal resistance in nowaday Xinjiang province. Western Taiwan is the only territory asimilated by Han people during the whole period of time mentioned above. They also acquired suzerain relation with Korean Kingdom, Vietnam Kingdom and Okinawan Kingdom. Han people was forbidden by Manchurians to travel and live outside "18 provinces", and therefore the asimilation of Manchuria didn't occur until very late 19th Century when Qing finally discovered that Manchuria would be lost to Japan or Russia had there isn't enough population. Japan invaded Okinawa in late 19th century, followed by French invasion of Vietnam. Russians came from the west and took over all Central Asian states and British once invaded Tibet and posed to take over it. Taiwan and Xingjing were quickly declared as formal territories of Qing Empire. After the revolution, neither warlords nor KMT were ever able to control the whole China, needless to say foreign territories.

 

What's worth to mention is that, the original revolutionists, which later became KMT, recognized only the "18 provinces" as "Han states". A flag with 18 stars symbolizing the 18 Han provinces (Taiwan was under Japanese control then, thus not considered as one of these) was shown during and after Wuchan revolution in 1911. The revolutionists at the time often talked about how to sell out "fringe territories" to foreign powers in exchange of diplomatic, financial and military support from the imperialists.

 

The asimilation of Xinjiang, Tibet, Qinghai and Inner Mongolia didn't happen until commies came.

 

Just like typical Americans, typical Han mentality is self-absorbed and quite xenophobic to some degree. During the great peiod of Chinese at sea (~950AD to 1650AD), Chinese fleets were formidable forces in the region. Even the fleet of pow

lmao...

it's so funny how people relate Re-unification to democracy.
--> obivously propoganada!

lmao!

You know every single country has Propoganda, not only the Communists.

lmao...

it's so funny how people relate Re-unification to democracy.
--> obivously propoganada!

lmao!

You know every single country has Propoganda, not only the Communists.

I just read about a new bureau was created under the state department of PRC: Bureau of Internet Propoganda.

Unlike democratic governments' propoganda, or public relation in modern terminology, commies allow nothing other than commie propoganda to be published, broadcasted or merely existed under their own jurisdiction, or, more precisely, enslavement.