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Subject: Secure North Korea for who?
tigertony    1/7/2008 9:38:21 PM
China planning to secure North Korea's nuclear arsenal: report by P. Parameswaran 23 minutes ago WASHINGTON (AFP) - China has contingency plans to dispatch troops into North Korea and secure nuclear weapons in the event of instability in the hardline communist state, according to US experts who have talked to Chinese military researchers. ADVERTISEMENT Any intervention by Beijing would be done as far as possible after consultations with the United Nations, but unilateral action was not ruled out, the experts said in a report published on the websites of two US think tanks. "If deemed necessary, PLA troops would be dispatched into North Korea," the report said, referring to the Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA). "China's strong preference is to receive formal authorization and coordinate closely with the UN in such an endeavor," it said. "However, if the international community did not react in a timely manner as the internal order in North Korea deteriorated rapidly, China would seek to take the initiative in restoring stability." The report was compiled by experts from the Center for Strategic and International Studies and the US Institute of Peace -- which published the report -- and Asia Foundation following their visit to China in June last year. North Korea, which reportedly has up to 10 nuclear bombs, is currently involved in a de-nuclearization program in return for energy aid and diplomatic and security guarantees under a six-party mechanism involving also the United States, China, Russia, South Korea and Japan. The program hit a snag recently after Washington accused Pyongyang of not meeting a December 31 deadline for a full declaration of its nuclear programs. "According to PLA researchers, contingency plans are in place for the PLA to perform three possible missions" in North Korea -- humanitarian and peacekeeping missions and "environmental control" measures, the report said. The measures are intended "to clean up nuclear contamination resulting from a strike on North Korean nuclear facilities" near the Sino-North Korean border and "to secure nuclear weapons and fissile materials." The report -- entitled "Keeping An Eye On An Unruly Neighbor: Chinese views of economic reform and stability in North Korea" -- said that in the event of instability in North Korea, China's main priority would be to prevent a flood of refugees. This would be done by assuring supplies of food and strengthening border controls, it said. "PLA officers maintain that they would attempt to close the border, but admit a lack of confidence that they could do so successfully, since the border extends 866 miles (1,394 kimometers) and can be easily penetrated," the report said. US experts took pains to emphasize that nuclear concern was only one part of the US-China dialogue on North Korea issues among the think tank community. "The range of issues discussed is comprehensive," Korea expert John Park of the US Institute of Peace told AFP. "Discussion of hypothetical scenarios enables various parties to achieve a better understanding of nuanced views." China's overall concerns about instability in North Korea, including on the nuclear issue, are not new as they share a long border, said China expert Bonnie Glaser of the Center for Strategic and International Studies. "Just as the US is concerned about the possibility of instability in terms of nuclear weapons in Pakistan, the Chinese not surprisingly have concerns about control and security of nuclear facilities and nuclear weapons in the event of instability in North Korea," she said. The US experts also discussed with Chinese specialists trends in North KoreaÂ’s economy and prospects for reform, current trends in Sino-North Korean economic relations and ChinaÂ’s policy toward North Korea in the wake of Pyongyang's October 2006 nuclear weapons test. "I think the most important thing that has come out of it has really been increased understanding between experts on both sides about how we look at North Korea," Glaser said. Now i wonder what Kim would say about it? tigertony
 
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Nanheyangrouchuan       1/8/2008 3:01:34 AM
So China has basically stated the conditions it will assume/create/fabricate to justify its invasion and occupation of northern Korea, repeating ancient Chinese behavior going back to the Song dynasty.

Politics makes strange bedfellows and Kim is a demon but in the big picture not as bad as the CCP sitting on its peacock throne. 

I do hope NK is paying attention and making the necessary adjustments to its force deployment, and NK will have to realize it needs the US.

 
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YelliChink       1/8/2008 10:25:46 AM

So China has basically stated the conditions it will assume/create/fabricate to justify its invasion and occupation of northern Korea, repeating ancient Chinese behavior going back to the Song dynasty.

Politics makes strange bedfellows and Kim is a demon but in the big picture not as bad as the CCP sitting on its peacock throne. 

I do hope NK is paying attention and making the necessary adjustments to its force deployment, and NK will have to realize it needs the US.


Actually, Song dynasty is weak in the form of military expansion and suffered from repeated foreign invasion. Beijing area was ceded to Kitans by earlier dynasty, which left Song no geographical defense to their capitol BianJing (today's Kaifeng). The whole inner Mongolia, Manchuria and part of North Korea was under control of Kitans' Liao Empire. In northwest China, by Northwest, I mean Gansu area, a bunch of DanXian people occupied the land and established Xia Kingdom (West Xia by Chinese tradition). Song was originally tried to make peace with them by grant their autonomy under Song, but they went on to be indepedent and attack Song garrisons in ShaanXi area. In the Southwest, I mean YunNan, Guizhou area, some ethnic Thai, Hmong or combination of these tribes grabbed the chance to establish Nanchao (Dali) Kingdom and was independent of Song. Border clashes were on and off, but generally no big problems there. Later, Jurchen (later renamed themselves Manchu) tribes ceased obeying Kitans and fought for their independence. Song grabbed this opportunity to make a deal with Jurchens to crush Kitans. The war went well by Jurchen, but Song's regular armies was defeated, first by Kitans, and later by greedy Jurchens. Two Song emperors were made captives by Jurchens, and a new court was setup in LinAn (today's Hangzhou). The new emperor leashed his generals, now most of them from extremely rich landlord families and raised their own armies, from recoquering lost lands in fear of losing power, so Song remained only in the south, while Jin, the Jurchen dynasty, ruled the north. Of course, Jin, Xia, Dali and Southern Song were all fallen to Mongols. Kitans, went west cross Mongolia and Xinjiang to somewhere near Uzbekistan, and later pissed off Genghis Khan.
 
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Herald12345    If ther DPRK generals invite us across the DMZ.   1/8/2008 10:59:00 AM
I hope the 2nd Infantry takes a new rope. That little bastard Kim Jong Il needs to decorate a late-decorated Christmas tree; the slow way..

Nothing good can come of this; if Hu Jintao and his fellow bandits get involved.

Herald


 
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Photon       1/19/2008 3:16:36 AM
Exterminate China = one less global problem to worry about ...
 
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commie       1/19/2008 3:51:00 AM

Exterminate China = one less global problem to worry about ...

Isn't it past your bedtime, kiddo?
 
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commie       1/19/2008 3:57:15 AM

Politics makes strange bedfellows and Kim is a demon but in the big picture not as bad as the CCP sitting on its peacock throne. 
So it's not communism you hate but China, thanks for be honest.

 
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Softwar       1/20/2008 9:17:17 AM



Politics makes strange bedfellows and Kim is a demon but in the big picture not as bad as the CCP sitting on its peacock throne. 

So it's not communism you hate but China, thanks for be honest.



The rulers in Beijing are no longer communists - they are facists in the classic sense.  The BS about marxist's capitalism is pure black shirt material.  Even worse - the PRC touts its national heritage as if it were something for the rest of the world to bow down to...  when in reality its national government is based on the failed social theory of a dead German.
 
As for the communists - we can see how well they have run nations.  To be blunt - one reason why the world is so screwed up is a legacy left over from Lenin and company.
 
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