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Subject: The shrinking Chinese economy
maruben    1/22/2008 11:43:06 AM
Tuesday, Jan. 22, 2008 EDITORIAL The shrinking Chinese economy Forget defense buildups. There are far easier ways to deal with the "China threat." Just crunch the numbers. A recent recalculation by the World Bank has shrunk the Chinese economy by some 40 percent. This should quiet the alarmists who maintain that China's dominance is just around the corner. China is big and a geopolitical force to be reckoned with. But there is little chance that it will overtake Japan or the United States any time soon. Economists use various tools to measure economies. Total economic output is a simple yardstick, but it is inexact. Prices differ from country to country so some standardization is needed to make meaningful comparisons. The most famous measure is the "Mac Index," which uses the price of a McDonald's hamburger as its indicator. If a Big Mac costs ¥300 in Tokyo, and $3 in New York, then a dollar is worth ¥100. The number should then be used to make comparisons of Japan and the U.S. This is called finding purchasing power parity (PPP) to ascertain an economy's real size. Meaningful analysis requires data. China had not participated in price surveys so the baseline that economists used to calculate Chinese prices was based on 1985 data, which assumed $1 was worth 2.1 yuan. Recently, the Beijing authorities allowed data collection on over 1,000 items. Using this information, the economists concluded that $1 was actually worth 3.4 yuan. As a result, the calculation of China's GDP in 2005 shrank from $8.8 trillion to $5.3 trillion, a 40-percent reduction — it is as if half of Chinese wealth had disappeared. While PPP provides some perspective, it is controversial. The data it uses is vulnerable to the usual problems that come with collecting information. And Chinese statistics are notoriously unreliable for all sorts of reasons: poor reporting infrastructure (not uncommon in developing countries), a tendency to inflate results for political purposes and secrecy concerns (lots of ordinary data is restricted for sometimes unfathomable explanations). As one indication of the elasticity of Chinese data, two years ago, Chinese economists concluded that national output was underestimated by 17 percent. Other economists object that PPP merely tells us that prices are lower in poor countries. And if the government sets exchange rates — as is the case in China — then the calculations are subject to political constraints. So, do the new numbers matter? Yes. First, they tell us that the hyperventilation about China's inexorable rise and how it is "certain" to displace Japan and the U.S. as leading economies are just that: exaggeration. China has a long way to go before it overtakes either of those economies. Second, with a reduced economy, China is poorer than it was. GDP per capita has been considerably reduced — population has stayed constant while total economic output has shrunk. That means much of the poverty reduction for which China has been applauded has not in fact occurred. Moreover, the grand plans to tap the expanding middle class market in China should be shelved, for a while at least: that market does not yet exist. Third, if China is not as rich as thought, then it will be more difficult for Beijing to finance its ambitious defense modernization plans. It will also be harder to pay for the infrastructure development that is needed, along with all the other social improvements that a modernizing country needs. This has political implications too. The strains in Chinese society are unmistakable. The government needs wealth to pay for measures that can remedy those strains. These calculations mean there is less revenue available for those purposes. The recalculations may also have an impact on international financial institutions. Developing countries have been lobbying for a reallocation of voting rights within organizations such as the International Monetary Fund, arguing that the current distribution of votes disadvantages them. They have pressed for an allocation based on PPP, asserting that such a move would raise the status of developing countries. Shifting the standard would give them more say than they currently have but the new calculations suggest that a move would not be as helpful as envisioned: China's share of the global economy in terms of PPP fell from 14 percent to 9.7 percent. To take another example, India's share dropped to 4.3 percent from 6 percent. In both cases, the share determined by PPP is larger than that measured by market exchange rates — China has 5 percent of world GDP, and India less than 3 percent — but the case is less compelling than before. Of course, mere recalculation does not mean that anything of substance has vanished or that China has somehow significantly changed. It should impact our perceptions, however, and focus attention on what is at hand, rather than sometimes illusory projections of intangible strength and influence. T
 
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Zhang Fei       1/22/2008 3:59:37 PM
Imperial Japan's economy was roughly 1/9 the size of the US economy when it launched the Pacific War. Unlike China today, Imperial Japan wasn't armed with nuclear-tipped ballistic missiles. Millions of dead and a few short years later, Imperial Japan controlled most of East Asia. China starts with the advantage that it is already in control of most of East Asia, being geographically larger and more populous than the rest of the region (excluding Siberia). Nobody thinks China's about to conquer the region a la Imperial Japan. But even Imperial Japan started by adding bits and pieces, beginning with Korea and Formosa. Japan also needs to take into account growing isolationist sentiment in the US - isolationism defined here as an unwillingness to engage in foreign wars where the territorial integrity of the nation is not directly at stake.
 
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Carl D.       1/23/2008 3:27:00 PM
Here is the link to the article from the Japan Times On-Line... http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/ed20080122a1.html
 
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commie       1/24/2008 7:50:59 AM
 
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Herald12345    What the satellites tell us is another story.   1/24/2008 8:32:52 AM
People's Daily is regarded with the same American derision we regard CNN.

If you want the truth you go to multiple independent source. CBC,  Agence Francais,  FT, NYT, WSJ, Jerusalem Post etc.

 You'll have to do better than fishwrap or a propaganda mouthpiece organization that serves bandits.

We can look at the satellite photos that show us how the PRC bandits actually slowly kill China and we can measure actual economic output from it.

Mining as well as other industrial process markers show up clearly from orbit, as does poisoned air, water, and soil.

Keep it up, PRC bandits. We pass the bucket of popcorn around and amuse ourselves as you slowly kill your poor enslaved population.

Even the Chinese peasant or urban worker slave will eventually figure the rape and pillage bandits out eventually.

REVOLUTION is coming to China. Long overdue and long suppressed, but it is coming.

Too many frustrated boys, can't grow their own food, looming energy shortfall, severe regional climate change, poisons  in the food chain that breeds a generation of idiots, these add up quickly and noticeably.

And the incompetent PRCs compound their problems by riling up their neighbors turning them into REAL enemies?

Hope for a merciful death when they ALL come for you, PRC bandits.

US included.

Herald.

 
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maruben    What is your argument?   1/24/2008 9:06:25 AM

Imperial Japan's economy was roughly 1/9 the size of the US economy when it launched the Pacific War. Unlike China today, Imperial Japan wasn't armed with nuclear-tipped ballistic missiles. Millions of dead and a few short years later, Imperial Japan controlled most of East Asia. China starts with the advantage that it is already in control of most of East Asia, being geographically larger and more populous than the rest of the region (excluding Siberia). Nobody thinks China's about to conquer the region a la Imperial Japan. But even Imperial Japan started by adding bits and pieces, beginning with Korea and Formosa. Japan also needs to take into account growing isolationist sentiment in the US - isolationism defined here as an unwillingness to engage in foreign wars where the territorial integrity of the nation is not directly at stake.

Honestly, I can not undestand what you are tring to say.
 
If you do not like what the World Bank had done or the opinion of the Japan Times (Newspaper), it is to revaluate the economic-politic-military size of China, please tell us WHY.

 
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maruben    What is your argument?   1/24/2008 9:06:29 AM

Imperial Japan's economy was roughly 1/9 the size of the US economy when it launched the Pacific War. Unlike China today, Imperial Japan wasn't armed with nuclear-tipped ballistic missiles. Millions of dead and a few short years later, Imperial Japan controlled most of East Asia. China starts with the advantage that it is already in control of most of East Asia, being geographically larger and more populous than the rest of the region (excluding Siberia). Nobody thinks China's about to conquer the region a la Imperial Japan. But even Imperial Japan started by adding bits and pieces, beginning with Korea and Formosa. Japan also needs to take into account growing isolationist sentiment in the US - isolationism defined here as an unwillingness to engage in foreign wars where the territorial integrity of the nation is not directly at stake.

Honestly, I can not undestand what you are tring to say.
 
If you do not like what the World Bank had done or the opinion of the Japan Times (Newspaper), it is to revaluate the economic-politic-military size of China, please tell us WHY.

 
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Herald12345       1/24/2008 11:51:00 AM



Imperial Japan's economy was roughly 1/9 the size of the US economy when it launched the Pacific War. Unlike China today, Imperial Japan wasn't armed with nuclear-tipped ballistic missiles. Millions of dead and a few short years later, Imperial Japan controlled most of East Asia. China starts with the advantage that it is already in control of most of East Asia, being geographically larger and more populous than the rest of the region (excluding Siberia). Nobody thinks China's about to conquer the region a la Imperial Japan. But even Imperial Japan started by adding bits and pieces, beginning with Korea and Formosa. Japan also needs to take into account growing isolationist sentiment in the US - isolationism defined here as an unwillingness to engage in foreign wars where the territorial integrity of the nation is not directly at stake.


Honestly, I can not undestand what you are tring to say.

 

If you do not like what the World Bank had done or the opinion of the Japan Times (Newspaper), it is to revaluate the economic-politic-military size of China, please tell us WHY.


He's saying that the only difference between Heideki Tojo and Hu Jintao, is that  Tojo got what he deserved after he, Tojo the bandit, started a war of Pacific aggression.

Hopefully, Hu Jintao, will get his before there is a war of aggression.

Certainly the fascist Beijing regime needs rectification-economically and politically.

Herald
 
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Zhang Fei       1/24/2008 3:57:18 PM
Maruben: Honestly, I can not undestand what you are tring to say.
 
If you do not like what the World Bank had done or the opinion of the Japan Times (Newspaper), it is to revaluate the economic-politic-military size of China, please tell us WHY.

My comment has nothing to do with Purchasing Power Parity GDP. I am saying that on a nominal GDP basis, China is in a position to challenge the US, since its annual industrial output is 1/5 of current US output. In comparison, Imperial Japan had a domestic output 1/9 that of the US when it started the Pacific War.
 
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maruben    Thanks   1/25/2008 8:02:43 AM
Thanks for the explanation!
 
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