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Subject: Chinese Air Defense Now Top Notch
Softwar    2/12/2008 11:45:30 AM
http://www.newsmax.com/smith/chinese_air_defense/2008/02/12/72031.html Chinese Air Defense Now Top Notch U.S. defense analysts now consider the Chinese air defense network to be the most dangerous system in the world. The Chinese system is considered more dangerous than the formidable Russian system. The reason for China's great leap forward into first place is due to the wholesale use of U.S. commercial products that make the Chinese air defense network flexible, easy to upgrade, and tough to exploit. The Chinese investment into its air defense network is calculated to be one-tenth the cost of the U.S. expenditures. The low cost is attributed to what one analyst described as "Cisco in Chinese." Chinese telecom companies run by the People's Liberation Army frequently steal U.S. industrial and military secrets which are then modified into operational systems for the military. This effort began in 1994 during the Clinton administration and was led by Chinese Gen. Ding Henggao. Ding should receive a medal for being a hero to the Chinese Communist Party because he was able to obtain a vast array of U.S. technology through a good friend inside the Clinton administration — then Defense Secretary William Perry. The technology included secure fiber-optic communications electronics. Ding was able to set his wife, Madam General Nie, up as head of a false corporation that obtained advanced U.S. fiber optic systems. Madam Nie's company was staffed entirely by Chinese army officers who specialized in exploiting communications and electronics. The American side of the deal was spearheaded by a good friend and co-worker of Perry's, Dr. John Lewis from Stanford University. In fact, documents obtained from the Department of Defense using the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) show that Lewis was paid by the Chinese army while also serving on the U.S. Defense Policy Board and working for DoD as a contractor. In 1994, Dr. Lewis was officially listed on the U.S. Defense Dept. payroll as Defense Secretary William Perry’s personal “consultant”. Dr. Lewis traveled to Beijing with Perry to meet with Ding and his subordinate, Gen. Huai Guomo as a consultant to Perry. The fiber-optic export was so controversial that even the General Accounting Office wrote an entire report on how it would be exploited by the Chinese military. The 1994 export deal led to a flood of systems sold to Chinese army front companies. One such company, Huawei, is also run by a former Chinese Air Force general. Huawei obtained advanced fiber-optic electronics from the U.S. during the Clinton administration and then resold the equipment to Saddam Hussein for use as an air defense network. Huawei was caught in the act by the CIA, which documented its find in the Iraq Survey Group Final Report. "One Chinese company, illicitly provided transmission equipment and switches to Iraq from 1999 to 2002 for projects that were not approved under the UN OFF (oil for food) Program. Reporting indicates that throughout 2000, Huawei, along with two other Chinese companies, participated in extensive work in and around Baghdad that included the provision and installation of telecommunication switches, more than 100,000 lines, and the installation of fiber-optic cable," notes the CIA report. The Huawei network installed for Saddam allowed the Iraqi air defense network to shoot down U.S. and allied aircraft. Despite repeated bombings by the allies, the network continued to function literally until Saddam was overthrown. As the CIA report noted, the Huawei system was bought and paid for with money that was suppose to help starving Iraqi children. Instead, Huawei willingly took the illegal cash, violated an U.N. embargo, and helped Saddam kill allied soldiers. Huawei not only obtained advanced communications equipment from the Clinton administration. During the Clinton years, the U.S. Commerce Department allowed Huawei to buy high-performance computers worth $685,700 from Digital Equipment Corporation, $300,000 from IBM, $71,000 from Hewlett Packard and $38,200 from Sun Microsystems. In addition, Huawei got $500,000 worth of telecommunication equipment from Qualcomm. Huawei's history is filled with similar episodes. Huawei provided a similar fiber-optic network to the Taliban in Afghanistan. The source for this information comes directly from the voice of the Taliban, Kabul Radio Voice of Shari'ah in Pashto. The fact remains that Beijing was willingly doing military deals with the Taliban despite its repeated denials today. Huawei is also known to other intelligence agencies for its close ties to the Chinese military. The RAW (the Research and Analysis Wing), India's equivalent of the CIA, concluded that Huawei posed a specific threat. RAW stated that Huawei "has been responsible for sweeping and debugging operations in the Chinese embassy. In view of China's focus on cyber warfare, there is a risk of exposing our st
 
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commie       2/12/2008 5:11:41 PM
If U.S. is not obsessed with bombing Chinese cities, why should you worry about China's air defense system? Nobody is worrying about U.S. air defense network, because nobody is remotely as jingoistic as American.
 
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commie    BTW, we hate democrats   2/12/2008 5:14:33 PM
They are idealists, Republicans are more pragmatic and easier to BUY.
 
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benellim4       2/12/2008 5:16:58 PM

If U.S. is not obsessed with bombing Chinese cities, why should you worry about China's air defense system? Nobody is worrying about U.S. air defense network, because nobody is remotely as jingoistic as American.

It's not a matter of wanting to bomb China. It's a matter of what will be necessary to stop China from invading Taiwan or bombarding the island with SRBM and MRBMs should the Chinese government chose to do so.
 
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YelliChink       2/12/2008 5:18:43 PM

If U.S. is not obsessed with bombing Chinese cities, why should you worry about China's air defense system? Nobody is worrying about U.S. air defense network, because nobody is remotely as jingoistic as American.


Of course they need to be worried. After all, two PLA generals had threatened to use nuke on US cities.
 
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Zhang Fei       2/12/2008 6:16:39 PM
commie: Nobody is worrying about U.S. air defense network, because nobody is remotely as jingoistic as American.

Most Chinese I know were thrilled when they heard about 9/11. Chinese radio right here in New York was openly celebratory. Chinese journalists being squired around Manhattan by the State Department openly applauded as as they saw live coverage of the planes hitting the towers. The fact is that no one is remotely as jingoistic as the average Chinese. And no Westerner is anywhere as jingoistic as the average non-Westerner. When was the last Chinese movie you saw that criticized Chinese conduct in a conflict with a foreign country?
 
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Nanheyangrouchuan       2/12/2008 10:15:44 PM
I doubt this has happened, but I wonder how much pressure has come down on corporate execs and their sales staff to give up the information on what they sold the Evil Empire and what kind of punishments have occurred.
 
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Herald12345       2/12/2008 10:29:24 PM

If U.S. is not obsessed with bombing Chinese cities, why should you worry about China's air defense system? Nobody is worrying about U.S. air defense network, because nobody is remotely as jingoistic as American.

We don't want to make it harder on us to come for you bandits than is necessary, bandit.

Pleasant dreams.

Herald
 
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tigertony    Nan   2/12/2008 11:14:53 PM

I doubt this has happened, but I wonder how much pressure has come down on corporate execs and their sales staff to give up the information on what they sold the Evil Empire and what kind of punishments have occurred.


  Well now this all depends on who you ask. If you ask what a Clinton gave these CCP goons as payment see below:
 
 
   Peter Lee, "an American scientist convicted of spying for China[,] worked closely with British military and visited Scotland as part of a secret team working on a method of tracking nuclear missile submarines. The information available to ... Lee as a prominent member of the UK/US Radar Ocean Imaging Programme (ROIP) is almost certain to have compromised the security of Britain's Trident nuclear deterrent.".
 
   Now here is what this Mr Lee got from a Clinton:
 
    Counterintelligence News and Developments. "US Nuclear Physicist Sentenced." Jun. 1998. [http://www.nacic.gov]
On 26 March 1998, Lee, a former nuclear physicist at Los Alamos National Laboratory, was sentenced" to one year in a community corrections facility, three years of probation, 3,000 hours of community service, and a $20,000 fine. He had pleaded guilty to "willfully passing national defense information to Chinese scientists during a 1985 visit to China" and to "providing false information in 1997 to his then-employer, TRW, Inc., regarding his contact with Chinese officials.
 
Now here is what a Republican would have given him:
 
 Loeb, Vernon. "Justice Accused of Laxity in Spy Case." Washington Post, 27 Oct. 1999, A7.
On 26 October 1999, "Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.) ... faulted the Justice Department's 1997 prosecution of physicist Peter H. Lee for passing nuclear secrets to China, saying government attorneys accepted a lenient plea bargain in an espionage case that could have merited the death penalty."
 
Now here is how CCP runs its theft:
 
Peter H. Lee's story "illustrates how classical Chinese espionage efforts use Chinese scientists who gather pieces of technical information from U.S. colleagues, rather than relying on intelligence agents. It is a subtle system that emphasizes collegiality and exchange and explains why it is time-consuming and difficult for U.S. counterintelligence investigators to catch American scientists who may have acted illegally."
 
Now what can we do about it? Ban all CCP imports and stop all CCP from entering US soil and working with US companies. Declare ROC as the One China, and do like Big Mac wanted and make it Fortress Formosa. And since CCP rules China, this means all PRC should be treated as we did the USSR.
 
Sad part is that we do the opposite and trade even more, and sell away our T-Bills,and buy away at Wal-Mart!. And we know Nan who sat on the board of Wal-Mart now don't we?
 
 
                                                               tigertony
 
 
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Softwar       2/13/2008 9:18:51 AM

I doubt this has happened, but I wonder how much pressure has come down on corporate execs and their sales staff to give up the information on what they sold the Evil Empire and what kind of punishments have occurred.

Link to GAO report on the Huamei project

LINK

Link to DOD FOIA documents detailing Dr. Lewis, Huamei project, General Ding and his wife Madam General Nie.
 
Link to meeting document between William Perry, General Ding and Perry's paid consultant Dr. John Lewis
 

Congress of the United States
Washington, DC 20515


May 22, 1997

The Hon. Janet Reno
Attorney General of the United States
U.S. Department of Justice
Constitution Ave. & 10th Street, NW
Washington, D.C. 20530

Dear General Reno:

We are writing to request that the Justice Department's investigation of alleged illegal foreign campaign contributions to the Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee include an investigation of the possible link between contributions from various Asian donors and the Clinton Administration's loosening of export controls on sensitive dual-use equipment and technology, which has specifically benefited the military and intelligence services of the People's Republic of China (PRC).

The PRC makes no secret of the fact that it is attempting to acquire a diverse, highly flexible, strategically dispersed and survivable military production capability, with force projection a key goal. The administration's pattern of decontrol and failure to enforce has substantially benefited the military goals of the People's Republic of China and presented serious new challenges to the security interests of the United States.

In our minds, there are a number of cases that raise serious questions about whether improper outside influence was brought to bear on Administration officials - - including the President - - and if that influence has resulted in decisions and policies that have liberalized the transfer of defense related technologies, something which is clearly incompatible with the interests of our nation.

Examples of questionable decisions:

Sales of sophisticated machine tools to the PRC - -

A U.S. company, McDonnell Douglas was allowed to ship an almost completely intact missile and strategic bomber factory to the PRC, despite strong opposition from specialists at the Department of Defense and evidence that the equipment was going to be diverted to military production facilities. Prior to the issuance of the original export licenses, the case was discussed with concern at the highest levels of the government, yet it was approved in the end.

News stories and a GAO report requested by the House National Security Committee (HNSC) all show that before the equipment was shipped, U.S. officials were aware that the conditions placed upon issuance of the export licenses were unenforceable, and the Chinese possibly intended to divert the equipment they had purchased for civilian use to a military production facility.

During the period before the sale - - and before the export licenses had been approved - - McDonnell Douglas officials showed officials from CATIC (China National Aero-Technology Import-Export Corporation) through the plant during operation hours, allowing them to videotape classified production lines in operation - - a violation of current export law, which was brought to the attention of Administration officials and ignored.

Finally, once it was determined that the diversion had occurred, political appointees at the Department of Commerce and Defense approved new licenses with different end-use conditions and destinations rather than expressing displeasure with the Chinese or exercising their legal obligation to sanction the PRC.

While aspects of this case are now under review by a grand jury in the District of Columbia, it is imperative that this matter receive full scrutiny in the context of the Justice Department's investigation of campaign finance improprieties.

Supercomputers - - The extraordinary loosening of controls on military-sensitive supercomputers, which began in 1994, has resulted in the sale of 46 supercomputers rated at 2,000 MTOPS and above to China in the last 15 months. According to a former Under Secretary of Defense who testified before the HNSC Procurement Subcommittee,

 
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Photon       2/13/2008 3:26:34 PM

commie: Nobody is worrying about U.S. air defense network, because nobody is remotely as jingoistic as American.

Most Chinese I know were thrilled when they heard about 9/11. Chinese radio right here in New York was openly celebratory. Chinese journalists being squired around Manhattan by the State Department openly applauded as as they saw live coverage of the planes hitting the towers. The fact is that no one is remotely as jingoistic as the average Chinese. And no Westerner is anywhere as jingoistic as the average non-Westerner. When was the last Chinese movie you saw that criticized Chinese conduct in a conflict with a foreign country?


We should have nuked China in the '60s or in the '70s and terminate its head-is-up-in-the-ass civilization once and for all.  Afterwards, destroy all Chinese historical relics and writings.  Completely erase its legacy from the face of the earth ......
 
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