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Subject: World Sneezes, China's Just Fine (At Businessweek, denial is just a river in Egypt)
Zhang Fei    3/19/2008 8:35:33 PM
(Quote) The Year of the Rat has certainly gotten off to a less than auspicious start for China. The country got buffeted by the worst winter storms in half a decade, causing food prices to soar and pushing inflation to an alarming 8.7% in February (BusinessWeek, 3/11/08). The Shanghai Composite Index is off 30% since the beginning of 2008, and property prices have started falling in several major cities. China's heavy economic involvement with the internationally unpopular regime in Sudan (BusinessWeek, 2/13/08), and most recently the bloodshed in Tibet (BusinessWeek, 3/17/08) threaten to spoil the country's Olympic parade. Now comes the U.S. bear market and housing collapse. If you heap this looming U.S. recession onto the litany of China's other woes does it spell a recipe for a total China meltdown? Don't bet on it. In fact, analysts say that the question of decoupling—the notion that China is contagion free from a global slowdown—is actually a misnomer, since "historically, the Chinese economy has never been coupled," says Jonathan Anderson, Asian chief economist at UBS. So questions of semantics aside, what's really going on? The answer is that while China is widely viewed as an export powerhouse, selling everything from garden gnomes to laptop computers overseas, most of its economic growth is still fueled by domestic investment and consumption, neither of which has shown much sign of slowdown so far. Anderson reckons that China's gross domestic product growth will slow to 10% this year, down from 11.4% in 2007, hardly the kind of slump to cause serious concern for Beijing. A More Open Economy Still, the Chinese economy is far more open than it was during the last U.S. recession of 2001. Back then, exports accounted for just 8.4% of gross domestic product and today it's about 40%. The European Union is China's biggest export market, with 20%, just ahead of the U.S. with 19%, while Japan and the rest of Asia take 25%, says Michael Spencer, Asia chief economist at Deutsche Bank. He's estimating growth will slow to 9.5% this year, but only half of that decline will be due to a slower increase in the growth of China's trade surplus. The reason the linkages from the trade sector to the rest of the economy aren't greater stems from the fact that domestic content only accounts for 25% of exports. Another is that although the export sector accounts for 80 million jobs, the sector most likely to get badly hurt is light manufacturing, which accounts for about 6.5% of total employment in China, while the export sector as a whole accounts for just 5% of total investment, says Anderson. Bear in mind too that China continues to amass huge amounts of foreign exchange. In January alone reserves jumped $61.6 billion, bringing the country's cash hoard to $1.589 trillion. That's quite a pile available to the government should the need arise to prime the pump of an ailing economy. But that is highly unlikely, says JPMorgan (JPM) China economist Frank Gong. "Investment growth, loan growth, consumption growth, and China growth are strong," he says. The Chinese proclivity to sock away huge amounts of savings provides a further cushion to a downturn. That means the disturbingly high degree of leverage that got U.S. hedge funds and households into the subprime mess is a problem quite unknown in China where the minimum mortgage down payment is 30%. "Residential mortgages are probably the best asset in the banking sector," says Ryan Tsang, senior director of banking research at Standard & Poors (MHP). (Unquote)
 
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Zhang Fei       3/19/2008 8:37:28 PM
BW commenter: I have seen many stories of how India and China will just do just fine without the US. Well, if that is so, then what are they going to do with all those goods they now ship to us? They don't buy them, and the rest of the world isn't going to.

This guy gets at the nub of it, but doesn't in fact understand how things work. Using a macro level description is analogous to not seeing the trees for the forest. Plants in China don't make goods irrespective of demand - they need to get paid so that they can buy raw materials and pay their workers. American retailers buy goods from factories (foreign and Chinese) in China and pay for them with dollars. If demand at the retail level is low, retailers won't place as many orders. Some factories will close and others will lay off workers. Since the more expensive things made by factories in China tend to be exported, the higher value-added segment of the Chinese market will be affected. China has plenty of unproductive investment in the stock market and real estate, in which huge bubbles are starting to pop. China is about to get the worst of both worlds - both domestic and international slowdowns happening simultaneously. It is about to encounter yuandaka (a Chinese version of Japan's endaka), way before China has had the chance to get rich.
 
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Nanheyangrouchuan       3/20/2008 2:48:11 AM
China restricts the outflow of MNC profits to keep liquidity inside of China, probably to try and create some sort of self-sustaining system.  But the PBOC won't print money so that the RMB does not devalue.
 
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Herald12345       3/20/2008 3:06:49 AM

BW commenter: I have seen many stories of how India and China will
just do just fine without the US. Well, if that is so, then what are
they going to do with all those goods they now ship to us? They don't
buy them, and the rest of the world isn't going to.


This guy gets
at the nub of it, but doesn't in fact understand how things work. Using
a macro level description is analogous to not seeing the trees for the
forest. Plants in China don't make goods irrespective of demand - they need to get paid so that they can buy raw materials and pay their workers.
American retailers buy goods from factories (foreign and Chinese) in
China and pay for them with dollars. If demand at the retail level is
low, retailers won't place as many orders. Some factories will close
and others will lay off workers. Since the more expensive things made
by factories in China tend to be exported, the higher value-added
segment of the Chinese market will be affected. China has plenty of
unproductive investment in the stock market and real estate, in which
huge bubbles are starting to pop. China is about to get the worst of
both worlds - both domestic and international slowdowns happening
simultaneously. It is about to encounter yuandaka (a Chinese version of
Japan's endaka), way before China has had the chance to get rich.
What does their international credit base look like?

Do they even have one?

Herald





 
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Zhang Fei       3/20/2008 7:12:34 PM
H: What does their international credit base look like? Do they even have one?

You mean can they borrow money abroad? Sure they can. Even the Soviets were able to borrow money abroad.
 
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