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Subject: China Wants To Shut Down Google Maps
Softwar    5/6/2008 9:45:25 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080506/wl_asia_afp/chinausinternetcensorshipmapsgoogle_080506053619 China has launched an investigation into online mapping services by Internet giants including Google and Sohu in an effort to protect state secrets and territorial integrity, state press said. According to Min Yiren, vice head of the State Bureau of Surveying and Mapping, authorities hope to get rid of online maps that wrongly depict China's borders or that reveal military secrets, the People's Daily said Monday. The government began the investigation into the problematic maps in April and will continue it until the end of the year, the report said. Min cited five areas of concern, with the redrawing of China's borders and placing disputed territory outside the nation the top priority, it said. Such areas of dispute include Taiwan, the Spratlys and Paracels island chains in the South China Sea and the Diaoyu Islands in the East China Sea, it said.
 
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YelliChink       5/6/2008 10:43:26 AM
What are they gonna do? Permanently block ?
 
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Softwar       5/6/2008 11:42:51 AM
Expect Beijing to arm twist Google with threats.
 
Of course, this is the 21st century way of land grabbing - have the borders drawn YOUR way in cyberspace.  Why not claim most of the Phillipines, Japan or Siberia for that matter - after all Stalin did take huge hunks of China at the end of WWII.  In fact, their claims against Russia make more sense and have more legal background than the defacto claim against Taiwan.
 
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Photon       5/6/2008 3:32:37 PM
This sort of annoyance will not go away until the Chinese elites and wanna-be's receive bullets with the rear side of their heads.
 
As for China's quasi-historical claims, it will not go away until we can somehow dismantle the Chinese civilization as we know of.
 
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Herald12345       5/6/2008 6:04:15 PM

This sort of annoyance will not go away until the Chinese elites and wanna-be's receive bullets with the rear side of their heads.

 

As for China's quasi-historical claims, it will not go away until we can somehow dismantle the Chinese civilization as we know of.

The correct term is PRC bandit.

And why do you want to dismantle one of the three great ORIGINAL Human civilizations currently extant?

Herald

 
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Nanheyangrouchuan       5/6/2008 6:08:43 PM




This sort of annoyance will not go away until the Chinese elites and wanna-be's receive bullets with the rear side of their heads.



 



As for China's quasi-historical claims, it will not go away until we can somehow dismantle the Chinese civilization as we know of.



The correct term is PRC bandit.

And why do you want to dismantle one of the three great ORIGINAL Human civilizations currently extant?

Herald



The Taiwanese version of Chinese society is better preserved, I'm pretty sure they even take the old Confucian tests as part of the national college entrance exam.

Google may have to give up majority control of its China domain (and probably have no management say, only a quarterly percentage of the profits.
 
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Photon       5/9/2008 4:49:10 AM


And why do you want to dismantle one of the three great ORIGINAL Human civilizations currently extant?

Herald

1.  'Several-thousands-of-years-of-our goddamned history':  Tell them to fuck anchovies and go to hell.  Why?  Because .... whatever historical accomplishments were made by our ancestors -- none of our businesses..

2.  Long .. long and continuing 'a great original civilization' sort of thingies:  I say ..... it also contain collected 'bad habits'.

3.  'Respect for the elders and our forefathers and so on ......':  More worthwhile to spend the time required for this sort of stupidities on masturbating.  Much easier to show humilities and ceremonies after the deaths of your immediate ancestors.  However ........ imagine what would it be to having to take care of one or more of your parents and even grandparents while they find many ways to make a plenty of mess!

4.  If you happen to be more philosophical:  What has the Chinese as well as the Oriental Civilizations have provided for the modern world?  Not much.  Buddhism?  Zen?  Hinduism?  Whatever???  Irrelevant, to be very blunt!  Also, another fatal shortcoming:  Lack of the concept of 'the independent judicial system' and the difference between 'civil' and 'criminal' laws.
 
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YelliChink       5/9/2008 12:35:07 PM

4.  If you happen to be more philosophical:  What has the Chinese as well as the Oriental Civilizations have provided for the modern world?  Not much.  Buddhism?  Zen?  Hinduism?  Whatever???  Irrelevant, to be very blunt!  Also, another fatal shortcoming:  Lack of the concept of 'the independent judicial system' and the difference between 'civil' and 'criminal' laws.

Chinese philosophy lacks behind western in terms of metaphysics and has never developed epistemology. Logic has been developed in Chinese philosophy quite early, but was not taken seriously and most of the work lost or hasn't been understood until 20th century. However, proto-Enlightenment has occurred in late 17th century and quite a few revolutionaries in late 19th and early 20th century were quite astonished when those early books reemerged to the public. They thought Enlightenment can only occur in the West. Also, proto-differentiation and proto-integration methods have been used by Chinese mathematician in mid-Ming Dynasty. There are a lot of factors that contributed to socio-economic change of China during mid 17th century which resulted in degradation of the civilization over 200 hundred years. One of them is Manchurian domination, and the other is growing availability of opium during the same period. What we have in late Qing dynasty is a highly addicted empire with probably half of the bureaucrats were druggies.

What Oriental civilization contribute to the world you want to know? To name just one, Chinese invented modern bureaucracy. Yeah, it is a lot of crap, but you can't run any organization without it. The bureaucratic system has evolved throughout history, and eventually became sort of a meritocracy based on how good people are doing in exams. British took the idea and installed similar system throughout 18th and 19th century, which later became the prototype of modern European bureaucracy. And you know that Independent Judiciary was first developed in England as a political entity to balance power between the King and Parliament. It's hardly an institution of human right and democracy from the beginning, especially during a time and place where aristocratic feudalism was pretty much the way. Lack of "independent" judiciary in all East Asian civilization might be true, but there was distinctive "civil" and "criminal" codes in Qing dynasty. They just wrote everything together by category, thus civil laws and criminal laws are intertwined.

A lot of things are locked by language barrier so that you have never seen, heard or even acknowledged. This is especially so in philosophy, which itself cannot exist without language, and can only develop under the allowance of ability of expression of a language (yes, I deliberately wrote a lame sentence like this). East Asian civilization took a down turn for 300 years, and they are picking it up. How many years did Western Europeans take to recover from the Fall of Western Roman Empire?

Just how much Immanuel Kant has influenced modern world? How much has Sartre and Kafka influenced modern world? Not so much if you are from East Asia, except places heavily influenced by Karl Marx, which done more harm than improvement to the region.

 
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Softwar       5/9/2008 1:28:55 PM


4.  If you happen to be more philosophical:  What has the Chinese as well as the Oriental Civilizations have provided for the modern world?  Not much.  Buddhism?  Zen?  Hinduism?  Whatever???  Irrelevant, to be very blunt!  Also, another fatal shortcoming:  Lack of the concept of 'the independent judicial system' and the difference between 'civil' and 'criminal' laws.
Metaphysics aside ...  They did provide the world with gunpowder.  Also, read Sun Zhu (Art of War) ... it's a good book and gives much insight into the ways of modern PLA operations. 
As I have pointed out before - the warlords and the CCP are the enemy.  They make the propaganda and hold the keys to the great firewall of China, choking the information flow.  The Chinese people are victims of the PLA and CCP oppression.  They are the ones who have suffered the most and will continue to do so until there is a change.
 
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