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Subject: US Ambassador to PRC Opposes F-16 Sale to Taiwan
Softwar    5/30/2008 8:39:48 AM
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The U.S. ambassador to China, Clark T. "Sandy" Randt, opposes Bush administration plans to sell advanced F-16 jets to Taiwan because of concerns that Beijing has grown "angry" over protests and harsh reaction around the world to China's Olympic torch relay.

Mr. Randt, according to administration officials, informed President Bush recently that he opposes approval of the sale of F-16 C/D models to Taiwan because "China is now vulnerable and angry" because of the protests surrounding the Olympic torch relay in Europe and Asia.

Mr. Randt has told the president that nothing should be done to hurt China's feelings before the Olympics, set to begin Aug. 8, and wants to wait until well after the Games, perhaps into the next administration before approving the warplane sale.
 
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displacedjim       5/30/2008 10:45:54 AM
A classic example of "going native."  It's too bad that the State Department always seems to think they're supposed to act as if they are the advocates for the rest of the world to America, instead of the other way around.  It's sort of the diplomatic corps version of the "Stockholm Syndrome."
 
 
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Nanheyangrouchuan       5/30/2008 12:18:10 PM
This guy is on the take, pure and simple.  It's long been time to purge State.
 
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YelliChink       5/30/2008 1:53:54 PM
Is the current US foreign policy is to sell us out?

 
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timon_phocas       5/30/2008 1:55:42 PM
The State Department has a departments (or "desks") staffed with people who understand the cultures and issues of every major country or region in the world. Their problem is that they just don't have an "America desk."
 
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Softwar    The State Department   5/30/2008 2:55:41 PM
They don't call it "Foggy Bottom" just because of its proximity to the Potomac river.
 
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YelliChink       6/12/2008 4:04:14 PM
www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/11/AR2008061103281.html

No arms sale will be approved before GWB leaves office? WTF!?

Top U.S. Officials Stalling Taiwan Arms Package


Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, June 12, 2008; Page A14

Top Bush administration officials are delaying a long-promised $11 billion arms package for Taiwan, raising the possibility that the issue will be left for the next president, according to sources inside and outside the administration.



 
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Nanheyangrouchuan       6/14/2008 2:00:34 AM
W is a gutless panda licker and you people support him.
 
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Claymore       6/17/2008 1:06:58 AM

W is a gutless panda licker and you people support him.
"Gutless" hmmkay. 

What would Gore, Kerry, or Obama have done? Nothing...

 
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Softwar       6/17/2008 8:50:52 AM

W is a gutless panda licker and you people support him.


As I have pointed out before there are two factions on the China issue:
 
1 - The Red Team (aka Panda Huggers).  This is the "engagement" (read "appeasement") crowd, backed by big bucks from mega-national corporations who want to sell anything to anyone - including weapons to the PRC.  They have quite a following in both political parties since they can swing big dollars.  They see the PRC as a big cash cow waiting to be exploited.
 
2 - The Blue team - This is the "containment" faction - a loose grouping of liberals and conservatives - ranging from national security wonks, humanitarian groups, labor rights groups and Chinese dissidents.  This group also spans both parties and as a rule they see the PRC as a threat to democracy and freedom.
 
GW is the the mega-corp corner - note his dad was ambassador to the PRC.  This is easy to see with Paulson at Treasury for example - ex-Goldman Sachs - with a heavy vetted interest in the PRC or as shown here - GW's ambassadork to Beijing.  Clinton was also in the mega-corp pocket big time - again Goldman Sachs, Motorola, Boeing, Loral, Bain Capital etc...
 
The two candidates are as follows - Obama - Red Team - his national security advisor is Tony "IsoldsatellitestoBeijing" Lake and McCain - Blue Team - who views China as a national security threat and makes no excuses for it.
 
 
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Nanheyangrouchuan       6/18/2008 8:27:20 AM
Obama has publicly called China "a competitor".  Has McCain?  And the same people that got Bush elected are lined up behind McCain.
 
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Softwar       6/18/2008 9:36:57 AM

Obama has publicly called China "a competitor".  Has McCain?  And the same people that got Bush elected are lined up behind McCain.

Bush and McCain never saw eye to eye on any subject.  McCain supported getting rid of Saddam but was opposed to the poorly managed way Bush tried to accomplish that goal.  McCain's advisors are not neo-conservatives - they are the traditional cold warriors who view both Russia and China as potential threats that need to be delt with.  Two of his national security advisors Kagan and Boot have written several of his speeches on China and Russia.
 
Robert Kagan, a senior associate at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace and a leading member of Washington's conservative foreign policy community, was an early advocate of removing Saddam Hussein, though he was critical of the Pentagon's handling of the war in Iraq.
 
Max Boot, a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, argues that American values such as democracy should steer foreign policy.
 
McCain statements -
April 8, 2008

"The Chinese government needs to understand that in our modern world, how a nation treats its citizens is a legitimate subject of international concern. China has signed numerous international agreements that make China's treatment of its citizens a subject of legitimate international concern, not just a matter of national sovereignty. To be a responsible stakeholder in the modern world, a government must also be responsible at home, in protecting, not trampling, the rights of its people."

"I understand and respect Prime Minister Brown's decision not to attend the Olympic opening ceremonies. I believe President Bush should evaluate his participation in the ceremonies surrounding the Olympics and, based on Chinese actions, decide whether it is appropriate to attend. If Chinese policies and practices do not change, I would not attend the opening ceremonies. It does no service to the Chinese government, and certainly no service to the people of China, for the United States and other democracies to pretend that the suppression of rights in China does not concern us. It does, will and must concern us."

April 22, 2008 campaign speech

"I have to tell you, if I were president of the United States, the next toy that came into this country from China that endangered the lives of our children, it would be the last toy that came into the United States."

-McCain to Foreign Affairs Nov./Dec. 2007

Dealing with a rising China will be a central challenge for the next American president. Recent prosperity in China has brought more people out of poverty faster than during any other time in human history. China's newfound power implies responsibilities. It raises legitimate expectations that internationally China will behave as a responsible economic partner by developing a transparent code of conduct for its corporations, assuring the safety of its exports, adopting a market approach to currency valuation, pursuing sustainable environmental policies, and abandoning its go-it-alone approach to world energy supplies.

China could also bolster its claim that it is "peacefully rising" by being more transparent about its significant military buildup. When China builds new submarines, adds hundreds of new jet fighters, modernizes its arsenal of strategic ballistic missiles, and tests antisatellite weapons, the United States legitimately must question the intent of such provocative acts. When China threatens democratic Taiwan with a massive arsenal of missiles and warlike rhetoric, the United States must take note. When China enjoys close economic and diplomatic relations with pariah states such as Burma, Sudan, and Zimbabwe, tension will result. When China proposes regional forums and economic arrangements designed to exclude America from Asia, the United States will react.

John McCain Apr. 2005 speech to Committee of 100

Sen. McCain (R-AZ) has supported a U.S. policy that will ?hedge? against China?s growing global influence. ?That doesn?t imply an effort to oppose China?s emergence as an influential power, but it does mean maintaining our military presence in East Asia, strengthening our alliance with Japan and our relations with other Asian countries, and working through groups like the APEC forum to further American interests and values.?

"Managing the rise of China remains the single greatest long term challenge to U.S. foreign policy. . . .  But the key question today is not whether China is on the rise, but rather what character the regime will assume tomorrow."

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The Arizona senator has proposed reconfiguring the Group of Eight industrialized nations to keep China from joining, even though its economy is bigger than all but three current members. He says the G-8 should be limited to democracies.

 
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Softwar    Obama's View   6/18/2008 9:49:12 AM
At the April 2007 debate among Democratic candidates, Obama said China is ?neither our enemy nor our friend. They're competitors. But we have to make sure that we have enough military-to-military contact and forge enough of a relationship with them that we can stabilize the region.?
 
Former Ambassador Jeffrey Bader, the Clinton administration's National Security Council Asia specialist, is a national security adviser to Obama's campaign. Bader is now the head of Brookings's John L. Thornton China center.
 
Tony Lake is the lead national security advisor - another former Clinton national security advisor - Lake played a key role in the transfer of satellite and space technology to Beijing in the 1990s.
 
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YelliChink       6/30/2008 10:55:59 AM

If China sells the weapon to US's hostile country, the American has what idea?



The fallacy in your question is that it is not an "if," but rather an established fact that PRC has sold, is selling and will keep selling weapons to countries hostile to US. Actually NORICO people are just like ho's because they will sell anything to anybody as long as there is cash. Heck they even tried to sell AK-47 to American street drug gangs.
 
 
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Softwar    The Worst Kind of Criminal   6/30/2008 11:06:06 AM
Let's look carefully at Dr. Khan from Pakistan -  he sold blueprints on how to make A-bombs to Libya.  We know this because Gaddafi gave us the blueprints.  The blueprints - designs and instructions - were all in CHINESE and marked with the appropriate development agencies attached to the PLA and the CCP.
 
So the PRC was caught red handed (pun intended) selling the designs to nuclear weapons to the highest bidder.
 
Now - we have told Taipei that we would not support any effort for them to go nuke - yet the PRC seems to have helped the DPRK, Pakistan directly and indirectly Saddam's Iraq, Libya and Syria.
 
Just how would you react to Taiwan and Japan going nuke?
 
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RockyMTNClimber    A Genuine head scratcher......   6/30/2008 5:04:57 PM
What we have in Taiwan is a country that has taken responsibility for it's defense by buying or building the technology needed (when the west allows them) and committing the human resources required to maintain a credible national defense against a very real threat. This stands in stark contrast to our European (and some Asian/Pacific allies) whom rely upon US to defend them while they reap the economic benefits of a low level of preparedness.
 
If Taiwan wants to buy submarines, fighters, tanks, missiles, whatever they need, we should be happy to see their personal commitment. We certainly should sell them our weapon systems to satisfy their requirements. That is a win-win for US overall.
 
I find our nation's reluctance to allow Taiwan build that national defense puzzling.
 
Check Six
 
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