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Subject: Chinese websites cut Obama's references to communism
gf0012-aust    1/21/2009 12:34:52 AM
Chinese websites cut Obama's references to communism abc.net.au US President Barack Obama's inauguration speech has a little twist in translations available on some Chinese websites where his references to communism and dissent have been cut. "Recall that earlier generations faced down communism and fascism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions," Mr Obama said in his 18-minute inauguration address. "To those who cling to power through corruption and deceit and the silencing of dissent, know that you are on the wrong side of history, but that we will extend a hand if you are willing to unclench your fist." In the translations available on top Chinese portals Sina and Sohu, the word "communism" is omitted and the paragraph on dissent was gone. Another widely viewed portal, Netease, cut the paragraph in its entirety. This prompting one Canada-based Chinese to post it in English in the comments section, with the remark: "Hahaha, communism and fascism". The paragraph mentioning dissent was included in the Netease version, and was widely praised by Chinese posting comments. The full speech appeared on the website of Phoenix TV, a Hong Kong-based station that is branding its website as a source for news, and in English on the China Daily state newspaper website. Communist China has shut more than 200 websites in recent days for "vulgar" content - a move seen by many as another step in its battle to stifle dissent in a year of sensitive anniversaries, including the 20th anniversary of the bloody crackdown on the pro-democracy Tiananmen Square protests in 1989. - Reuters
 
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Necromancer    gf but but and a big but...   1/21/2009 12:43:29 AM
Obama needs to get Chinese financing for the trillion dollar bailout package. And Chinese internal bailout will boost American exports like Caterpillar. Also low interest rates and easy credit in US were due to Chinese financing. The middle kingdom has been very nice to USA, problem is the so called communists may just get fed up the so called capitalist (err more like a criminal enterprise). What Wall street did in the last few years was ridiculous- It made socialism look good. China is not the problem -they work hard, save and pay their bills, they have their own money to finance their bailout, no borrowing and no BS printing of ez money- the problem is the West.
 
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Necromancer    Watch this ---   1/21/2009 12:50:06 AM
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YelliChink       1/21/2009 12:58:02 AM
What can you expect? The top commies feel that they are now dancing and smoking on a volcano, in a disco built with powder kegs full of gunpowder. They'll do their best to keep Chinese people ignorant of subversive ideas at all cost.
 
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Necromancer    Plz Yellichink -this time the Chinese have the moral higher ground   1/21/2009 1:16:45 AM

What can you expect? The top commies feel that they are now dancing and smoking on a volcano, in a disco built with powder kegs full of gunpowder. They'll do their best to keep Chinese people ignorant of subversive ideas at all cost.
You don't even know where the $700billion TARP money in US is gone. You complain about relatively minor censorship in Chinese media when the censorship in US covers up trillion dollars? Laughable, Henry Paulson et al wanted powers to not inform you of how the money was spent. Just today Citibank is valued $15billion, a few weeks ago it got $45billion in TARP funds- so where is the $30billion? Oops Yellichink given this financial misconduct if I were Taiwanese- merger with China may not be a bad idea. In fact it might happen as US will be forced to compromise so much to get Chinese loans.


 
 
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Nanheyangrouchuan       1/21/2009 1:16:51 AM
1. It is going to be very, very, very hard for the PRC leaders to have to be nice and even kiss the butt of a black man.
2. Obama is warming up the protectionist machine, China will hurt.
 
 
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Necromancer    Nannu r u ok??   1/21/2009 1:24:47 AM

1. It is going to be very, very, very hard for the PRC leaders to have to be nice and even kiss the butt of a black man.

2. Obama is warming up the protectionist machine, China will hurt.


 


Its Obama who needs to practice using chopsyicks- Chinese have $2trillion in USD that he needs to fund the recovery here.
What protectionism r u talking about China exports everything that US doesn't make? I don't understand you. Is Obama gonna stop iPODS, iPhones, TVs and refrigerators from China- in that case he better go back to Chicago.

 
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gf0012-aust       1/21/2009 2:13:03 AM
It never ceases to amaze me how some will continue to trot out chinese holdings of US debt as the vehicle of safety and control.  It sounds impressive but it ignores a whole pile of other vectors which the CCCP would be crapping themselves over.

eg, china generates 28m new unemployed per annum - the international meltdown is viewed as generating aniother 22-26million - now the fan clubbers will argue that that is a fraction against the total population, but what they ignore is the fact that at the end of this year China will have an unemployed population equivalent to all their Urghyrs - and growing by the equivalent of shanghai + recession impacted UE's every year.

they're already experiencing over 5000 riots recorded last year in the west and northern provinces - they are struggling to control those and yet they will be generating far more as a result of the meltdown.  even if they maintain local fall out numbers thats an extra 52m unemployed per annum.  Now they publicly acknowledge that they're impacted by US spending, but also know that they can't satisfy the loss through local consumption.

Who's nervous?  China or the US?  I'll give you a tip - it aint the US. 

What we shoudl be worried about is whether the CCCP will start becoming belligerent to distract those who are disgruntled at home - they know how to turn on and off public emotion as they did it with the olympics, and did it with Japan early last year.

Turning  off Obamas speech has far more impact and message than the fact that they embrace censorship - it's a subtlety that you seem to have missed - and continuing to focus on US debt shows a lack of appreciation of the far bigger picture evolding..
 
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Necromancer    Well gf the bigger picture evolving is right here...   1/21/2009 2:28:08 AM
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And really Australia is not at fault, mostly US government , Wall street and some in UK. Its true that China has massive numbers of desperation, but its a a huge poor country without much debt- the movement is inexorably 5steps ahead and 2 steps backward, which is 3steps forward. IN US last few years was 5steps ahead and now it is 15 steps backwards, that is 10steps backward. Dissatisfaction occurs when rich get poorer not when poor stay poor. Its ok to be a slumdog in China, try doing that in US large scale, the Red revolution in China will look like Gandhi type revolt. The subtlety I noticed in Obama was admonihing theprevious administration and lowering expectations. The DOW dropped bigtime today. Wall street clearly wasn't enjoying the Obama inauguration.
 
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YelliChink       1/21/2009 2:31:01 AM

You don't even know where the $700billion TARP money in US is gone. You complain about relatively minor censorship in Chinese media when the censorship in US covers up trillion dollars? Laughable, Henry Paulson et al wanted powers to not inform you of how the money was spent. Just today Citibank is valued $15billion, a few weeks ago it got $45billion in TARP funds- so where is the $30billion? Oops Yellichink given this financial misconduct if I were Taiwanese- merger with China may not be a bad idea. In fact it might happen as US will be forced to compromise so much to get Chinese loans.


Chinese don't have the money you think they have. Why don't you do us a favor by moving to China?
 
 
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Nanheyangrouchuan       1/21/2009 2:31:05 AM
Products from China can be slapped with heavy import taxes.  The more likely form of protectionism is to ban any outsourcing of knowledge work by companies either receiving bailout money, government loans or government contracts.
 
Funny you mention China's cash reserves, which are in reality much less than  $2 trillion because 1. china's official numbers are false 2. China lost alot of invested forex deposits in AIG, Merrill Lynch and who knows where else.
And a few economists have written that with such a shortage of investments offering any kind of positive return, the PRC may be forced to buy more US debt just to regain some of the money lost from riskier investments, including buying EU and UK currency.
 
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