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Subject: SS-26 Iskander vs Patriot PAC III
skrip00    9/6/2005 12:05:46 PM
Who will win? Why? what techniques will be used?

Id place my bet on the PAC-III, its combat proven and has the moxy to deal with the Iskander's whacky trajectory.
 
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DarthAmerica    RE:SS-26 Iskander vs Patriot PAC III   9/6/2005 2:42:10 PM
Thats hard to say IMO. Both the Russians and US have had time to review the data from GW1 to OIF and allpy those lessons to new designs. But the US has invested considerably more money at stopping Ballistic Missiles than Russia has at penetrating defenses. My bet is on the PAC-III.
 
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EW3    RE:SS-26 Iskander vs Patriot PAC III   9/6/2005 2:49:35 PM
Haven't heard too much about it, but I did see a todbit or two about a new and improved PAC-III that has the range of the PAC-II but is hit to kill and PAC-III in size (or slightly larger).
 
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Yimmy    RE:SS-26 Iskander vs Patriot PAC III   9/6/2005 6:22:37 PM
Going by the relatively small missile, and big sky theory, my bet goes on the Russian missile. Plus from what I have read, Patriot is a failure.
 
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DarthAmerica    RE:SS-26 Iskander vs Patriot PAC III   9/6/2005 9:34:30 PM
>>>Plus from what I have read, Patriot is a failure.<<< ---Then you dont read much! Why oh why does a jealous euro always have to pollute the debate with silly and foolish rhetoric!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Yimmy    RE:SS-26 Iskander vs Patriot PAC III   9/6/2005 10:22:32 PM
Well that was certainly a nice little rant you had there, do you want a cookie with it? I read a fair amount, and have read various extracts concerning Rapier, and on said reading, have come to the conclusion that the missile is an operational failure. Like the Rapier, it looks good on paper, but in reality - sucks. It is fairly common knowledge that Patriot failed to destroy Scuds in Gulf War I, while in the recent Gulf War the only target that I know of which it destroyed, was a British Tornado. Has it had any great successes which I do not know of?
 
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DarthAmerica    RE:SS-26 Iskander vs Patriot PAC III   9/6/2005 11:01:29 PM
>>>Has it had any great successes which I do not know of?<<< ---Yes but I'll let you do a little more reading on your own. It will be good for you.
 
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Yimmy    RE:SS-26 Iskander vs Patriot PAC III   9/7/2005 11:09:57 AM
That is quite possibly the most pathetic argument I have ever heard.
 
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violentnuke    GW1 patriots did hit 10 to 90% depending on criteria   9/8/2005 5:26:21 PM
90% of patriots did hit their targets but did not destroy it. Only 10% of scuds were effectively destroyed, and about 50%+ of them were taken off their intended target. This is not total or acceptable success rate but hardly a failure either. The failure of the patriot was in the scud bombing of army barraks in Ryad. That's when they thought it was not adequate enough. PACIII has successfuly take out all that which it engaged during GW2. The system itself could not engage low level unguided Frog cruise missiles that jumped on them, but the system is being improved to take care of that. Considering its size, the PACIII is really a nice bang.
 
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DarthAmerica    RE:SS-26 Iskander vs Patriot PAC III   9/8/2005 6:21:12 PM
>>>That is quite possibly the most pathetic argument I have ever heard.<<< ---It was more of an admonishment. If you arent going to bother to state your source or do even the most basic research then thats all you are goint to get. No more "free" lessons.
 
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Yimmy    RE:SS-26 Iskander vs Patriot PAC III   9/8/2005 6:26:03 PM
Darth, the only lesson you could give, would be how to wank.
 
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doggtag    RE:GW1 patriots did hit 10 to 90% depending on criteria   9/8/2005 6:55:14 PM
I tend to agree with violentnuke on this one: -"90% of patriots did hit their targets but did not destroy it. Only 10% of scuds were effectively destroyed, and about 50%+ of them were taken off their intended target. " Regardless of what the AARs stated the missiles achieved in GW1, those of us watching the repeated broadcasts of Iraqi SCUDs falling on targets saw that even though the Patriots put off a pretty shower of sparks in the night sky, there were several instances that the warheads survived intact, and were nothing more than knocked off course and landed and exploded elsewhere. When your missile has a CEP somewhere in an area the size of a city block, knocking it off course to crash into another neighborhood or other city block is not any proof the Patriots effectively countered the SCUD threat. What would've happened had any one of those warheads been chemical or nuclear? It should be obvious: they still would've survived to detonate, just a but further from their intended targets, but still deadly just the same. That's nothing to brag about for the Patriot's "success". A successful intercept should imply, "hey, we stopped the missile from delivering its warhead." Patriots didn't always do that, merely so much as knocking it off course and making it land and explode somewhere else. One of the arguments was that, as SCUDs were in their terminal diving phase, they were aerodynamically/structurally weak and broke up, and the Patriot radars couldn't discern missile parts from the actual warhead. So are we now to believe that hit-to-kill has improved those odds any? What's the point if the piece we're hitting isn't even the warhead we originally were trying to stop?
 
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