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Subject: Effectiveness Sholder fired STINGER missle versus incomming Cruise missle?
sebastiaan    10/12/2005 2:23:06 PM
Could anyone give some indication of the effectiveness of Sholder fired Stinger missles (or any other Sholder AA weapon) for intepting cruise missles. My estimation is that they could be effective in shooting down cruise missles flying past the air defence system but what about defending his ground (when cruise missle tagets his position)?
 
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B.Smitty    RE:Effectiveness Sholder fired STINGER missle versus incomming Cruise missle?   10/12/2005 3:32:03 PM
Using Stingers for terminal defense against cruise missiles may kill the missile, but it'll probably drop debris and possibly an intact warhead somewhere nearby. Probably not the best way to do things. The best way to knock out cruise missiles (besides killing the launch platform), is to do it as far away from your position as possible. This means systems and concepts like JLENS (tethered Aerostat radar), and SIAP (Single Integrated Air Picture - sensor fusion), ADSAM (Air-Directed SAM), and the LCI (Low-Cost Interceptor) and it's smaller MERLIN cousin are the future of land-based cruise missile defense - not MANPADS like Stinger.
 
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Basilisk Station    RE:Effectiveness Sholder fired STINGER missle versus incomming Cruise missle?   10/12/2005 3:45:42 PM
I would tend to guess not very much. I believe that the US models at least use a low IR output turbofan engine. Also given that they travel at low levels at a high speed, much higher speed than any helicopter, that it would be difficult for a human to track one well enough for a lock and launch before they were out of range.
 
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shawn    RE:Effectiveness Sholder fired STINGER missle versus incomming Cruise missle?   12/29/2005 7:47:15 AM
Consider that the Stinger-POST IR seeker is used in the missile guidance system of the RAM shipborne short range anti-missile system.
 
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Yimmy    RE:Effectiveness Sholder fired STINGER missle versus incomming Cruise missle?   12/29/2005 2:04:40 PM
A manpad such as stinger would be very poor at downing cruise missiles such as tommahawk. Firstly, the manpad operator needs early warning to engage the target, due to the cruise missiles low flight path - by the time he saw it, it would be long gone. Secondly, again due to cruise missiles low altitude of travel in valleys and the likes, the stingers IR sensor would be heavily effected by ground clutter. This is why to avoid Afghani stinger operators, the Soviets took to flying their choppers very low.
 
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DeadGrunt    RE:Effectiveness Sholder fired STINGER missle versus incomming Cruise missle?   12/31/2005 11:56:15 AM
I was a Stinger/Avenger Platoon Sergeant. First, the Stinger is a very potent weapon and has counter measures to thwart flares, chaffs, etc, etc.. However, against a cruise missile that flies NAP of the earth, it would be innefective. The Stinger has to acquire tone, then lock onto the source. An ADA team would await early warning from a EW sensor node, key in on the flight path of the planes and then engage it when it met it's standoff thresh hold. As for a cruise missile, the stinger tone/lock time of 3-5 seconds would be non existent with a cruise missile since the 3-5 second visibility needed would be long gone.
 
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radoo    RE:Effectiveness Sholder fired STINGER missle versus incomming Cruise missle?   2/16/2006 3:54:56 AM
it's not difficult to track a cruise missile. in the gulf war they could be seen with the naked eye. they were filmed with camera for miles, and u can hear them coming. but it looks that it takes a better weapon than a stinger to take it down as Sergeant sais. And it appears that he knows what hes talking about. After all if a $1/2 mil tomahawk (less or more, i dont know) can be shot down by a sholder fired missile, than us/british forces should reconsider their tactics... The Russian MOD said after the second Gulf war that if iraq have had their Air Defence 95% + of the incoming cruise missiles would have been intercepted...
 
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andyf    RE:Effectiveness Sholder fired STINGER missle versus incomming Cruise missle?   3/17/2006 11:48:28 PM
looking at how the things operate, i reckon barrage balloons would work quite well. just put em over road junctions
 
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gf0012-aust    RE:Effectiveness Sholder fired STINGER missle versus incomming Cruise missle?   3/18/2006 12:49:20 AM
"looking at how the things operate, i reckon barrage balloons would work quite well. just put em over road junctions " damn, I knew tertiary stage pop up cruise missiles could be defeated with colonel blimp... ;)
 
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Thomas3    RE:Effectiveness Sholder fired STINGER missle versus incomming Cruise missle?   5/23/2006 1:43:45 PM
I would not rule out a Stinger as a partial solution: 1. Get yourself a good ground observer corps, that can produce ample advanced warning, so the firing unit is pointed towards the missile before they can se it - it works wonders in other contexts. 2. Identify the routes the missiles fly, I know you can dogleg them, but new ground matrixes take time. 3. have mobile teams that can deploy rapidly along the approach routes. 4 Never ever rely on one single expedient. Use fighters and AAA artillery as well.
 
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