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Subject: Syria's antiaircraft system most advanced in world?
Shirrush    8/15/2007 3:19:02 PM
Displacedjim, what says you?
 
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Shirrush       8/15/2007 3:21:01 PM
Here. Scaremongering, or the real McCoy?
 
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DarthAmerica    Scaremongering IMHO   8/15/2007 3:34:43 PM

According to the memo, the Syrians are interested in purchasing long-range S-300 air defense systems and S-11 and SA-17 medium-range mobile air defense systems.

The S-300, one of the most advanced missiles used by the Syrian army can accurately intercept aircrafts from a distance of several tens of kilometers, thanks to an improved radar system combined with special sensors on the missile itself.
 
Do I really need to elaborate on that(see above)? Now I'm sure Syria has a very formidable IAD but most advanced? C'mon you would have to be joking. Also, the number of launchers is not as interesting to me as is the number and quality of long range EW systems and ability to battle handoff targets. Finally, most modern militaries already have equipment and and/or TTP's that make Syrias IAD obsolete. Think about it.
 
-DA
 
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5thGuards       8/15/2007 6:21:34 PM
Funny post , made me laugh.

 
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displacedjim       8/17/2007 1:40:25 AM
Yes, the Syrian IADS is densely packed with scores of overlapping radars and scores of overlapping SAM battalions.  It is certainly a very capable air defense network.
 
Yes, they have some SA-24s.  SA-24s are outstanding MANPADs.  However, MANPADs are a threat to helicopters and low-flying jets, not to fighters using smart weapons to strike strategic targets or even performing CAS.  They haven't received any PANTsIR yet, nor is it certain they even will.  Even if/when they do, PANTsIR is also a short range low level system.  S-300 remains a constant concern that never materializes.  SA-11 and SA-X-17 is even less of a reasonable concern.  All in all,  the article is poorly reasoned scaremongering.
 
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usajoe    Shirrush   8/26/2007 2:04:57 AM
Subject: Syria's antiaircraft system most advanced in world?
The most hilarious thing I have read in a long time
thanks for all the laughs!
   
 
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rooster       9/8/2007 3:05:18 PM

Advanced Russian Air Defense Missile Cannot Protect Syrian and Iranian Skies

DEBKAfile Exclusive Military Report

September 7, 2007, 1:16 PM (GMT+02:00)

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Russian-made Pantsyr S1 fire control and radar systems

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DEBKAfile’s military experts conclude from the way Damascus described the episode Wednesday, Sept. 6, that the Pantsyr-S1E missiles, purchased from Russia to repel air assailants, failed to down the Israeli jets accused of penetrating northern Syrian airspace from the Mediterranean the night before.

The new Pantsyr missiles therefore leave Syrian and Iranian airspace vulnerable to hostile intrusion.

The Israeli plane or planes were described by a Syrian military spokesman as “forced to leave by Syrian air defense fire after dropping ammunition over deserted areas without causing casualties.” He warned “the Israeli enemy against repeating its aggressive action” and said his government reserved the right to respond in an appropriate manner.

Western intelligence circles stress that information on Russian missile consignments to Syria or Iran is vital to any US calculation of whether to attack Iran over its nuclear program. They assume that the “absolute jamming immunity” which the Russian manufactures promised for the improved Pantsyr missiles was immobilized by superior electronic capabilities exercised by the jets before they were “forced to leave.”

Syria took delivery in mid-August of 10 batteries of sophisticated Russian Pantsyr-S1E Air Defense Missile fire control systems with advanced radar, those sources report. They have just been installed in Syria.

Understanding that the Pantsyr-S1E had failed in its mission to bring down trespassing aircraft, Moscow hastened Thursday, Sept 6, to officially deny selling these systems to Syria or Iran and called on Israel to respect international law. This was diplomatic-speak for a warning against attacking the Russian-made missiles batteries stations where Russian instructors are working alongside Syrian teams.

Western intelligence circles maintain that it is vital for the US and Israel to establish the location and gauge the effectiveness of Pantsyr-S1E air defenses in Syrian and Iranian hands, as well as discovering how many each received.

They estimate that at least three or four batteries of the first batch of ten were shipped to Iran to boost its air defense arsenal; another 50 are thought to be on the way, of which Syria will keep 36.

The purported Israeli air force flights over the Pantsyr-S1E site established that the new Russian missiles, activated for the first time in the Middle East, are effective and dangerous but can be disarmed. Western military sources attribute to those Israeli or other air force planes superior electronics for jamming the Russian missile systems, but stress nonetheless that they were extremely lucky to get away unharmed, or at worst, with damage minor enough for a safe return to base.

The courage, daring and operational skills of the air crews must have been exceptional. They would have needed to spend enough time in hostile Syrian air space to execute several passes at varying altitudes under fire in order to test the Pantsyr-S1E responses. Their success demonstrated to Damascus and Tehran that their expensive new Russian anti-air system leaves them vulnerable.

Washington like Jerusalem withheld comment in the immediate aftermath of the episode. After its original disclosure, Damascus too is holding silent. Western intelligence sources believe the Syrians in consultation with the Russians and Tehran are weighing action to gain further media mileage from the incident. They may decide to exhibit some o

 
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caltrop    Update   9/27/2007 12:58:03 PM
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So the Israelis used F-15 and F-16 to penetrate to Dayr az Zawr.  No matter what direction they came from, that is alot of territory to over-fly.  And no reports of any aircraft shot down. 
 
Seems DJ previous comments were on the mark.  Here you go DJ 
 
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displacedjim       9/27/2007 5:03:44 PM
Caltrop, have you read something recent about the raid?  If so, please post it or at least a link to it in one of the raid-related threads.  I went back off active duty about one week before it happened, and haven't been able to go into a SCIF since then to catch up on any reporting we may have of the incident, so I'm dying to read about it.
 
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DarthAmerica       9/27/2007 5:21:28 PM

Caltrop, have you read something recent about the raid?  If so, please post it or at least a link to it in one of the raid-related threads.  I went back off active duty about one week before it happened, and haven't been able to go into a SCIF since then to catch up on any reporting we may have of the incident, so I'm dying to read about it.



I got your message, agreed! ANyway, I haven't seen anything at all the gives any amount of detail about this. The Only thing confirmed that I know of is that there were Israeli aircraft in Syria.
 
-DA
 
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caltrop       9/27/2007 10:50:41 PM

Caltrop, have you read something recent about the raid?  If so, please post it or at least a link to it in one of the raid-related threads.  I went back off active duty about one week before it happened, and haven't been able to go into a SCIF since then to catch up on any reporting we may have of the incident, so I'm dying to read about it.


I saw this but I cannot verify the accuracy of the author's statements:
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The IDF seems to have really clamped down all reporting on this incident.  I saw somewhere else that there was a report/rumor that the IAF had employed such heavy jamming that it was noted in Lebanon.
 
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