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Subject: Aster Chases Aegis And Patriot
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Nichevo       4/2/2011 9:15:17 PM
Brigitte Lahaie was pretty hot.
correction;

 

is there anything french you like?


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Das Kardinal       4/3/2011 9:08:28 AM

Brigitte Lahaie was pretty hot.


correction;


is there anything french you like?


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Emphasis on "was". She's not exactly young and fresh any more ! :-D
 
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Das Kardinal       4/3/2011 9:10:08 AM
BTW, she's a radio host now on RTL (or is it RMC ?) during the afternoon. Naturally, her show's about love and sex matters.
 
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heraldabc       4/3/2011 12:38:01 PM
Don't try. I find three types of clowns who infest internet forums.

First are the type that I was, the type who us so arrogant, that even when they are honest in fact become so fixated on a single irrelevant point in a topic that they miss the great general error they make. (you know where that came from, right?)
 
Then there is the fixated fanboi with the one idiot idea. (truck driver, Rafale. Some incompetents would say that I am on the flip side of the truck driver with regards to the Rafale.) Of course, this ignores my own solid reasons for seeing that bird as an obsolescing and poorly built aircraft that was designed with the wrong air warfare theory in mind.
 
Then third there is the nationalist incompetent who commands superficial and inaccurate 'everyone knows' knowledge, such as "America's equipment is the best, or our men are the best trained, etc.' when I know that the US has skimped on EW as part of warfare, that our Navy has some very serious technical and training faults that need urgent address right now, that our air farce is stuck in the Boyd loop and has failed to keep pace with PRC and Russian innovation, and that the Army is still run by a bunch of technological luddites who are at least a decade behind the Israelis in key areas of armored fighting vehicle tech, and land army oriented  missile warfare doctrine, defects that get our people KILLED right now.
 
Then there is my own favorite, Mister Perfect, who sticks to a book definition that no-one in the business actually uses and insists it is correct. Even when he is told why the definition he uses does not work, he clings to a 'definition, even when the book explains why the 'definition' is not correct.
 
Well...rant over.
 
Don;t make it personal. Let the facts and processes speak. The chief proof of failure is failure.         
 
The Standard, Aspide, and ESSM are combat tested. Even TALOS, TERRIER, Sea Wolf, Patriot, and  every US A2A missile us weapon tested as effictive. The Matra missiles seem to work. ASTER and MICA?
 
It is alleged that one MICA took down one turbo-prop.
 
Shrug, not much to show for five billion Euros and twenty years of design and redesign and a capped production run and truncated orders (of the IR missile only) from the host country. The host country doesn't even trust the RH missile, hoping instead for the METEOR, which has its own problems.
 
Funny isn't it, that ASTER which uses the MICA seeker can't get large sales, while the American-Italian ESSM (uses same exact ship radars in many cases) just pops up everywhere? 
 
Market purchases tells you a LOT about what the customer knows works.
 
H.             
 
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StobieWan       4/12/2011 7:51:52 AM
When did SM2 get used in combat ? Last I read, it had one shoot down to it's credit and we're not celebrating that one much (well, you might be, seeing as the target was an airbus)

Or did I miss one there? I didn't know any had been used in combat vs an aerial target, put it that way.

Ditto ESSM? 

Tested yes, combat proven, I honestly didn't think so?

Ian

 

 
The Standard, Aspide, and ESSM are combat tested. Even TALOS, TERRIER, Sea Wolf, Patriot, and  every US A2A missile us weapon tested as effictive. The Matra missiles seem to work. ASTER and MICA?

 
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heraldabc       4/22/2011 6:23:47 AM


When did SM2 get used in combat ? Last I read, it had one shoot down to it's credit and we're not celebrating that one much (well, you might be, seeing as the target was an airbus)




Or did I miss one there? I didn't know any had been used in combat vs an aerial target, put it that way.




Ditto ESSM? 




Tested yes, combat proven, I honestly didn't think so?




Ian




 





 

The Standard, Aspide, and ESSM are combat tested. Even TALOS, TERRIER, Sea Wolf, Patriot, and  every US A2A missile us weapon tested as effictive. The Matra missiles seem to work. ASTER and MICA?




I did  not say which Standard, but yes the missile functioned perfectly. Don't blame the missile for Human error.  
 
Sea Sparrow has been used. ESSM is her descendant.
 
H.
 


 
 
 
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Das Kardinal       4/10/2012 1:45:18 PM
New news : Aster 30 successfully intercepts supersonic sea-skimming target.
For the sake of non-French-speaking people, quick translation by me :
 
Aster 30 : success for a "very high technicity" interception
 
A target drone simulating a supersonic, very low flying missile was intercepted from the frigate Forbin. 
 
As announced on this blog since February 16th, a european first was achieved by Forbin : "the interception of a target drone simulating an attack by a supersonic missile flying at very low altitude". The shoot, achieved wednesday 4th of April as a joint Marine Nationale and DGA effort, was of a "very high technicity", the Defence ministry assures.
The shoot was made against a target drone used by the US Navy since 2006 : a GWM 163A Coyote. Flying at Mach 2,5 at an altitude inferior to 5 meters above the ocean, this target is a maneuvering one. It is designed to simulate the Russian missiles that could be encountered by Western fleets : SSN-22 Sunburn, KH-21 and especially the future russo-indian Brahmos.
The intercepting missile was an Aster 30, which is presented as an exceptional technical success. On september 14th, 2011, an Armée de l'Air Aster 30 already succeeded in destroying an Israeli target simulating a ballistic missile of the Scud B type.
The Franco-Italian Aster (MBDA/Thales) is one of the components of the PAAMS system, borne of the cooperation between France, Italy and the United Kingdom. 
 
Disregard the blank link put at the end of this post, it's just the result of this forum software having a spat with Safari, apparently. 
 
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halloweene    Aster 30 capabilities   11/16/2012 10:57:13 AM
According to G. Merchet, a reknown journalist,
 
The next version of Aster 30 missile called B1-NT (Block 1 - New technologies) has the ability to intercept ballistic missiles with a range of 1500 km, against 900 for equipment currently in service in the army of the air Force and Navy. Missiles of about 1500 km range are, for example, the Pakistani Ghauri, North Korean No Dong, Iranian Shahab 3 and 21 DF Chinese.
The longer the range of a balistic missile is , the more difficult it is to intercept because its speed is higher during the reentry phase - during which the interception takes place. A missile with a range of 300 km at a speed of 2.5 km / second (9000 km / h) while a missile with a 6000 km range at a speed of 6 km / sec (21,000 km / h).
Due to its versatility, the MBDA Aster 30 missile has no equivalent in the world. It is both a craft and antiaircraft missile - able at once to intercept ballistic missiles and supersonic cruise missiles, as just demonstrated in two trials.
 
 
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Reactive       11/20/2012 3:26:03 PM
I think it unlikely that a mach 4.5 missile can reliably intercept a mach 10 object (DF-21). 
 
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