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Subject: India-China border clash 1962
YelliChink    1/3/2006 1:16:23 PM
Just wondering the perspective in India side. Could anyone provide info on this border clash?
 
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Jawan    RE:India-China border clash 1962- luckybird   8/2/2006 5:44:33 AM
""i didn't see anything wrong with maxwell's report. if you find anything wrong, point it out with your proof. but i found he cited a lot of precious indian official documents that could prove his arguments. so the truth is you don't want to believe the truth since it did not satisfy you."" There is nothing right wiht this report. He claims even after going through all the documents that the indian govt provided to him and twisted it to suit CCP purposes. The claim about India's FORWARD POLICY which is holy grail for CCP apologists is completely misunderstood. This policy was to make sure that indian troops were right at the demarkation line between Tibet and India and not a few kms behind. This is how it was in those days wiht indian border troops being few clicks behind inside their territory from the actual zero line wiht all its neigbours tibet included. Forward policy was to be at the zero line and see how mR. Maxwell twisted it and you folks came to believe all that stuff. Even if Indian troops crossed the macmohan line, they still did not enter Chinese territory, but TIBETIAN TERRITORY. Nobody recognizes the soverignity of china on tibet. that is why the CCP Bosses get all red and hot when talking to indian leaders about TIBET. They still cant digest afer so many years that no body excepts their claim on TIBET. Very unfortunate. one can make truth out of lies by continusly speaking about them. that is what CCP has done, but man there are folks who still know the truth including the chaps who fought against chinese and guess what THEY LIVE IN A Free SOCIETY!!! Unlike folks espousing CCP propoganda.
 
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luckybird    RE:India-China border clash 1962- jawan   8/3/2006 4:18:07 AM
¡°That is cool man. Dalai lama is still TIBETIAN, and not CHINESE....¡± Even to your point of view, dalai lama was not Indian. How could he be born in India? ¡°Again TIBET Was an independent nation, so the BRITISH were negotiating with TIBETIANS and not CHINESE. CHinese terrotory was beyond Tibet's border.¡± I finally got your point. You are so afraid to accept the fact that Tibet was not independent just to validate the mcmahon line. But even the british, with a powerful army force then, dared not seize Tibet brazenly. After they invaded Tibet, they used every dirty means to intimidate and allure Tibet to acknowledge the mcmahon line. But in a later negotiation, which you were wrong on the fact, the british did negotiate with china on Tibet issues. When china refused to sign the unequal treaty, british failed in their dirty intrigues. ¡°Chinese crossed the border period and when the world screamed they went back shamelessly claiming to be peaceloving DOVES!!¡± After independence, Indians just wanted to take over all that the british had left for them, regardless of the dirty means by which those interests were gained. Tibet was one of such interests. India itself also wanted to support the separation of Tibet and gradually control and seize it. When the dream was smashed after Chinese peacefully librated Tibet, Indian of course screamed loudly. But very soon, India accepted the fact. Even Nehru did not support the appeal of Tibet to the UN. ¡°India probably than any other nation did more to get Communist china into the WORLD community of nations. It was a PARIAH state after 49. But see how they replied stabbing India in the bACK with PLA soldiers screaming "" HINDI-CHINI bhai bhai"" while at the same time invading INdian terrotory.¡± India did enjoy a good fame at that period. But this also could lead to the misjudgement and improper actions by the Indian leaders. Even now, there is no sign which shows that PLA ever crossed mcmahon line, except the border war, which is proved to be provoked by Indian. Moreover, " HINDI-CHINI bhai bhai" was shouted not only by china. ¡°Chinese have no right to be in TIBET. THey invaded and are occupying that nation. SO there is no question of any chinaindia border in Arunachal pradesh.¡± ¡°Even if Indian troops crossed the macmohan line, they still did not enter Chinese territory, but TIBETIAN TERRITORY.¡± I should laugh at you on this. It seems that India was not an aggressor if India crossed the border other than sino-india border. And if India won¡¯t recognize the Chinese sovereignty over Tibet, why we cannot see it through its official map of world? ¡°Very unfortunate. one can make truth out of lies by continusly speaking about them.¡± That¡¯s just what I want to say to you. Accept the truth.
 
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Nanheyangrouchuan    RE:India-China border clash 1962- jawan   8/5/2006 3:23:06 PM
Bad, killer China
 
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Jawan    RE:India-China border clash 1962- Luckybird!!   8/5/2006 11:54:31 PM
You sure don't get the picture do YOU!!! Chinese occupy TIBET that is what the whole world believes and not WHAT U BELIEVE. DITTO FOR INDO-CHINA clash of 1962. It went China's way ONLY and ONLY because of the stupidity of Nehru and Krishna Menon. But you won't understand. I guess it is beyond you. CCP version is the correct one for you, I guess. One has to wait for years to know the truth from CCCP land. Only when democracy gets hold in China will the truth come out for you folks. Until then, believe what you want. TRUTH is different. IT IS OUT THERE!! Go find it.
 
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Manoj G Tyagi    India china 1962 war   10/24/2009 11:27:24 AM
I think it was poor planning and inadequate funding for the Indian armed forces that led to their disasterous performance in the sino-indian war of winter 1962. The PLA and the PLAAF were better prepared under a disciplined communist leadership. The chinese were planning the assault for more than 3 years and major powers did not intervene on behalf of India aggresively as they did later in Vietnam. However now the indian armed forces have strengthened themselves and are better equipped for at least a month long war with the PLA. The border skirmishes of 1967 and 1986  with PLA have shown their resolve to repulse any adventurism. India needs to urgently up grade its air force and we require at least 80-85 new and state of the art fighter jets and the navy requires at least 7-8 each of missile frigrates and destroyers to match the might of the chinese navy in the Indian ocean.I still believe that a chinese attack on India is imminent in the next 10-11 years due to various factors. For more information read my review in the India china military comparison (ABY).        
 
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Nanheyangrouchuan       10/24/2009 9:51:07 PM
"Mao's instructions were quite simple on the other hand. It was simply to envelop every single Indian force and wait for the Indians to either retreat or move into vulnerable position."
 
Classic "wei qi" or "go" manuever, and Mao was a recognized expert in this ancient game.  And the troops the PRC used against India weren't just experienced from the Korean War, most Korean War troops were Chinese Civil War vets as well and most of Mao's leaders were former warlords that he had defeated in battle. That is an awful lot of experience to contend with.
 
As for why China wants that part of India:
1. Similar to Taiwan, built up support for the CCP regaining "lost" territories.  These days the CCP is openly split into elitist (the princelings) and the populist (Hu/Wen) camps. 
2. The Dalai Lama is losing the ability to control the Tibetan Resistance, especially as it starts to coordinate with the E. Turkestan movement and train with Al Queda.
3. Tibetan Buddhism's second holiest temple is in the contested Indian state, as is the exiled Tibetan government.
4. China is dying of thirst, the water it does have is nearly 100% polluted beyond reasonable treatment.  The treatment plants that are built in the big 10 cities are finding their systems overrun with pollution, including mass die-offs of the bacterial tanks.
The surface and ground water are so systemically ruined that the soil is also tainted with a buffet of organic and inorganic pollutants, ruining crops and making the soil toxic to the touch.
 
#4 alone is reason enough, China is in a real bind with water and they won't be able to sustain their industry to 2050.  In fact it will probably fail sooner.  Nuke reactor plants can't be built due to water quality and availability.
 
Expect China to make a mad dash for the Brahmaputra basin and then threaten nuclear war if India doesn't agree to a new line of control.  
 
 
 

 
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