Military History | How To Make War | Wars Around the World Rules of Use How to Behave on an Internet Forum
India Discussion Board
   Return to Topic Page
Subject: Chinese arms, radar for Sri Lanka military
Softwar    6/4/2007 4:50:03 PM
http://www.tamilnet.com/art.html?catid=13&artid=22366 Chinese arms, radar for Sri Lanka military [TamilNet, Monday, 04 June 2007, 15:59 GMT] Sri Lanka’s military has inked several significant defence agreements with China, including those for the supply of modern radar and large quantities of ammunition, press reports said. The deals with Beijing come amid public statements from India expressing discontent with Colombo’s military ties to China and Pakistan. An order for Chinese radars is being routed through a company owned by Sri Lanka’s defence secretary, Gotabaya Rajapakse, reports also said. Meanwhile, India could provide training, spares and servicing support for Sri Lanka’s soon to be acquired Mig 29 jets. Britain's Jane's Defence Weekly reported recently that Sri Lanka had signed a classified $37.6 million deal with China's Poly Technologies in April to supply its defence forces with ammunition and ordnance for the army and navy. Another company, China National Electronics Import Export Corp is to provide Sri Lanka a JY 11 3D radar for $5 million over the next few weeks once the site for its location near Colombo is ready, IANS reported quoting Jane’s. Reports of the purchases come as India’s National Security Advisor M.K. Narayanan publicly insisted that Sri Lanka should not approach Pakistan or China for weapons. ''It is high time that Sri Lanka understood that India is the big power in the region and ought to refrain from going to Pakistan or China for weapons, as we are prepared to accommodate them within the framework of our foreign policy,'' Narayanan was quoted by Indian reports as saying last Thursday after a 45-minute meeting with Tamil Nadu Chief Minister M. Karunanidhi. Gotabaya Rajapakse, Sri Lanka’s hardline defence secretary concluded the new contract for the Chinese radars, IANS reported. The order is being routed through Lanka Logistics and Technologies Co Ltd that Gotabaya Rajapakse also heads, the report also said. Colombo has declined to renew its long standing agreement with China's North Industries Corporation (Norinco) for defence equipment, opting instead for Poly Technologies, founded as a rival in 1984 by Beijing's military establishment. IANS says there is speculation that the change from Norinco, which has maintained a bonded warehouse in the southern port city of Galle since 1993, was prompted by the debt of $200 million Sri Lanka owes the company. The largest single order with Poly Technologies is for 120 mm mortar shells for the army, of which 70,000 rounds are priced at $10.4 million. Other imports include 68,000 152 mm artillery shells ($20 million) and 50,000 81 mm high-explosive mortar bombs ( $3.7 million). The Sri Lankan navy's requirement, valued at$ 2.7 million, includes a range of ammunition including 100,000 14.5 mm cartridges, 2,000 RPG-7 rockets and 500 81 mm airburst mortar shells. There are also 50 Type 82 14.5 mm twin-barrel naval guns, 200 Type 85 12.7 mm heavy machine guns, 200 Type 80 7.62 mm multipurpose machine guns, 1,000 Type 56-2 7.62 mm submachine guns and 1,000 Type 56 7.62 mm submachine guns, Jane's reported. Meanwhile, Jane’s is quoted as reporting that Sri Lanka’s director of Aeronautical Engineering, Air Vice Marshal Prashantha de Silva, is scheduled to visit Moscow to discuss the acquisition acquiring an unspecified number of MiG 29 fighters to boost Colombo’s power. IANS quoted Indian defence sources as saying New Delhi, which also operates 60 odd MiG 29s, could play an 'important' role in Sri Lanka's proposed purchase of similar fighters by agreeing to provide training, spares, servicing and other logistic back-up.
 
Quote    Reply

Show Only Poster Name and Title     Newest to Oldest
Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7   NEXT
mithradates    The Stupidity   6/4/2007 8:32:06 PM

link

Chinese arms, radar for Sri Lanka military

[TamilNet, Monday, 04 June 2007, 15:59 GMT]
Sri Lanka’s military has inked several significant defence agreements with China, including those for the supply of modern radar and large quantities of ammunition, press reports said. The deals with Beijing come amid public statements from India expressing discontent with Colombo’s military ties to China and Pakistan. An order for Chinese radars is being routed through a company owned by Sri Lanka’s defence secretary, Gotabaya Rajapakse, reports also said. Meanwhile, India could provide training, spares and servicing support for Sri Lanka’s soon to be acquired Mig 29 jets.

Britain's Jane's Defence Weekly reported recently that Sri Lanka had signed a classified $37.6 million deal with China's Poly Technologies in April to supply its defence forces with ammunition and ordnance for the army and navy.

Another company, China National Electronics Import Export Corp is to provide Sri Lanka a JY 11 3D radar for $5 million over the next few weeks once the site for its location near Colombo is ready, IANS reported quoting Jane’s.

Reports of the purchases come as India’s National Security Advisor M.K. Narayanan publicly insisted that Sri Lanka should not approach Pakistan or China for weapons.

''It is high time that Sri Lanka understood that India is the big power in the region and ought to refrain from going to Pakistan or China for weapons, as we are prepared to accommodate them within the framework of our foreign policy,'' Narayanan was quoted by Indian reports as saying last Thursday after a 45-minute meeting with Tamil Nadu Chief Minister M. Karunanidhi.

Gotabaya Rajapakse, Sri Lanka’s hardline defence secretary concluded the new contract for the Chinese radars, IANS reported.



of this particular Indian national security adviser is truly staggering.  What is India exactly trying to do through this kind of rhetoric?  It's no wonder that almost all of India's neighbors are our allies and client states(Myanmar, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal, Sri Lanka).  I simply do not understand how India can consider itself a great power while it shows no sense of geopolitical greatness.
 
Quote    Reply

Herc the Merc    Mith   6/4/2007 8:54:05 PM
Nepal, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka are not Chinese allies, and Sri Lanka better understand that Chinese military is unwelcome there, even the US military was not (hence Diego Garcia). If CHinese military ever goes in force to Sri Lanka let me assure you the INdians will back LTTE proxy groups and invade Sri Lanka. Nepal Maoists are not CHinese supported, they are an off shoot of the lack of democracy in Nepal. You clearly overrate China, but thats ok because the fun is in the surprise.
 
Quote    Reply

Herc the Merc    How simplistic of u mith   6/4/2007 8:57:52 PM
Vietnam South Korea, Russia and Taiwan are to enemies or adversaries with China, in fact India has military relations with Vietnam and maybe Taiwan. Strange comment from u that India is threatened by Sril  Lanka Nepal and Mynamar, Pakistan has alwasys been INdias enemy--considering U are at conflict with Russia in the past, India Taiwan and Vietnam all major powers.
 
Quote    Reply

GreyJackal    Herc    6/4/2007 9:20:02 PM
India doesn't want to sell weapons for the Sri lankan Army to fight the LTTE, so the Sri lankan army went to China and Pakistan to shop for weapons. Pretty logical if you ask me.
 
Whats India's problem? Either sell weapons or be quiet. Don't bitch when lanka buys equipments from China and Pakistan when you yourself refused to supply to them.
 
Didn't India get burned badly the last time they entered Sri lanka and tried to act like in charge. The LTTE killed Rajiv Ghandi and Indians remember that. If China enters Sri Lanka, India can't do much I assure you, even though the scenario of China coming to Sri lanka is unlikely.
 
Quote    Reply

mithradates    Herc   6/4/2007 11:20:22 PM

Vietnam South Korea, Russia and Taiwan are to enemies or adversaries with China, in fact India has military relations with Vietnam and maybe Taiwan. Strange comment from u that India is threatened by Sril  Lanka Nepal and Mynamar, Pakistan has alwasys been INdias enemy--considering U are at conflict with Russia in the past, India Taiwan and Vietnam all major powers.


A few points are worth noting here.

Vietnam is at this point China's ally/dependent.  Despite fairly continuous U.S baiting, the point of decision has really passed several years ago.  We are now Vietnam's single biggest trade partner.  Our two nations road/rail networks are closely linked(Not the case with any of Vietnam's other bordering countries). Our navies jointly patrol the Gulf of Tonkin.   This is significant in light of the fact that Vietnam rejected similar bilateral military training with the U.S as well as limited basing rights when Premier Wen Jia Bao expressed concerns to their Prime Minister Tra.  At this point, the only talk of a "U.S-Vietnam alliance" is coming one-way from the U.S.

h!tp://english.people.com.cn/english/200102/09/eng20010209_61898.html
h!tp://www.abc.net.au/ra/news/stories/s1493343.htm

Russia is our full ally now, largely due to aggressive actions by the U.S.
h!tp://www.heritage.org/Research/RussiaandEurasia/BG1459.cfm

Taiwan is not a part of Mainland East Asia.  Moreover, it is an full economic dependent.  We are Taiwan's single largest trading partner.  Which means, China can economically cripple Taiwan with minimal effects on the Chinese economy.  The same applies with South Korea.  Though South Korea is now really a neutral nation, their threat analysis places Japan and North Korea as the #2 and #1 military threats.  But China holds the ability to depress the S.K economy if we wish it.  In both cases, the room for independent maneuver is much less.  China now holds more sway over BOTH Taiwan and S.K than the U.S.








 
Quote    Reply

mithradates    Herc   6/5/2007 12:10:19 AM

Nepal, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka are not Chinese allies, and Sri Lanka better understand that Chinese military is unwelcome there, even the US military was not (hence Diego Garcia). If CHinese military ever goes in force to Sri Lanka let me assure you the INdians will back LTTE proxy groups and invade Sri Lanka. Nepal Maoists are not CHinese supported, they are an off shoot of the lack of democracy in Nepal. You clearly overrate China, but thats ok because the fun is in the surprise.


We supply most of Bangladesh's weaponry. We have a bilateral Defense-Cooperation treaty.  And the PLAN have naval installations near Chittagong.

Bangladesh plays the China card

Like the juntas in Myanmar and Pakistan, Bangladesh offers its ports to China

Bangladesh is offering its Chittagong port to the Chinese navy, providing it access to the Bay of Bengal and the Indian Ocean. To some extent, China already enjoys access to the Bay of Bengal thanks to the Myanmar junta, who also provide it with offshore naval and electronic surveillance facilities at the Coco Islands in near the Andaman Sea. Similarly, China is assisting Pakistan with the Gwadar deep sea port which it can access via overland routes through Pakistan. Countries like Pakistan and Bangladesh bending over backwards to please China, if only to thumb a strategic nose at India.

But the Indian navy too is quietly venturing closer to China’s own backyard. Apart from patrolling the Straits of Malacca in partnership with Malaysia, Indonesia and Singapore, it has also begun to conduct joint exercises in the South China Sea. The countries of South East Asia are not too comfortable with Chinese naval influence in the region, especially given the multi-party territorial dispute over the Spratly Islands.

While the India-China naval dynamic will develop over the next decade, the history of the Indian subcontinent seems to be repeating itself - feuding states of the subcontinent invite foreign powers in the hope of going one up over their neighbours. Getting rid of the foreign power once it converts its toe-hold into a footprint proves painfully difficult.

h!tp://www.saag.org/papers6/paper582.html
h!tp://opinion.paifamily.com/?p=912


China is now Nepal's single biggest military equipment provider.
h!tp://www.isn.ethz.ch/news/sw/details.cfm?ID=13270

China is Sri Lanka's biggest military equipment provider.

And all of it is due to a degree of Indian public disrespect to her neighbors.  That nation needs to learn how to give smaller countries some face every once in a while, they would make less enemies.





 
Quote    Reply

Nanheyangrouchuan    India's Tamil population   6/5/2007 1:42:34 AM
Is why India politically won't provide weapons to Sri Lanka, so don't get big visions of Han glory Myth. 
And whatever China sells to Sri Lanka be assured the Indian intel guys will get a long look at it.

 
Quote    Reply

iSoldier       6/5/2007 9:06:35 AM

India doesn't want to sell weapons for the Sri lankan Army to fight the LTTE, so the Sri lankan army went to China and Pakistan to shop for weapons. Pretty logical if you ask me.

 

Whats India's problem? Either sell weapons or be quiet. Don't bitch when lanka buys equipments from China and Pakistan when you yourself refused to supply to them.

 

Didn't India get burned badly the last time they entered Sri lanka and tried to act like in charge. The LTTE killed Rajiv Ghandi and Indians remember that. If China enters Sri Lanka, India can't do much I assure you, even though the scenario of China coming to Sri lanka is unlikely.


 
India doesn't have a small-arms export industry to begin with, so where does the question of "does not want" come from? The Nepalese INSAS sale was a minimal one. For COIN and SF work India itself imported thousands of AK-like weapons from Germany, Bulgaria and Romania in 1990s, now Tavors and Uzis from Israel.
 
Indian Army itself is slowly undergoing 130mm to 155mm rationalzation, how the hell is it supposed to deliver 152mm? Indian light, medium and field artillery are all lagging behind scheduled rationalization to selected calibers. The SPA is so far back that Pak has hundeds more SPA than IA.
 
So either you put up evidence that India can sell the weapons SL wants, but doesn't want to, or shut-up.
 
 
Quote    Reply

GreyJackal    isoldier   6/5/2007 10:53:46 AM
India has said in the past that they will not sell Lanka offensive equipment. But when lanka wants to shop for offensive equipment for their army from other countries, they moan and whine. Thats the truth. Read this article below.
 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Indians warn Sri Lanka on weapons

  • Bruce Loudon, South Asia correspondent
  • June 04, 2007

INDIA'S top security official has publicly warned Sri Lanka against looking to Pakistan and China for the weapons it needs to fight the Tamil Tiger separatists.

The warning from India's National Security Adviser MK Narayanan follows reports that Sri Lanka has told New Delhi it will look to Pakistan and China if India is unwilling or unable to supply the armaments it needs.

New Delhi's leading policymaker on terrorism told a news conference in the southern Indian city of Chennai over the weekend: "It is quite clear we are the big power in the region. Whatever may be their requirements, the Sri Lankan Government should come to us."

Tamil Tiger rebels launched a major attack on an army artillery position in Sri Lanka over the weekend, killing at least one soldier and wounding 15 ahead of a Japanese peace move, officials said yesterday.

The Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam shelled the Pampaimadu military base where security forces had placed a long-range gun to target the rebel-held Wanni region in the island's north.

Japan's peace envoy to Sri Lanka, Yasushi Akashi, is due to arrive in the region for a four-day visit beginning tomorrow.

Mr Akashi, who helped to raise $4.5 billion in pledges in 2003 to support a Norwegian-backed effort to resolve the conflict, is hoping to revive the moribund peace process.

President Mahindra Rajapakse expressed willingness on Friday to resume talks with the rebels as fighting continued in the northern and eastern regions.

But the President is still actively seeking arms from regional allies to combat the rebels.

China is said to be seeking to gain influence in Sri Lanka as part of a drive to outflank New Delhi in the Indian Ocean region, and there have been reports it has been offering military hardware to the Sri Lankan Government. Beijing recently signed an agreement with Colombo for the development of the port of Hambantota, and there has also been talk of possible weapons supplies.

As well, Pakistan, China's closest ally in the region, has been tapping into Sri Lankan concerns about how to combat the Tigers' new air strike capacity, and Islamabad may also be offering weapons, if only to spite India.

India has long held that it should have the greatest influence on Sri Lanka, given its geographical location and close ethnic and historical ties.

New Delhi insists it will supply only "defensive" weapons, and has put new radar installations designed to deal with the Tamil Tigers' air strike capacity in the "defensive" category.

Mr Rajapakse responded to Mr Narayanan's comments by saying there was only one country "that can acceptably involve itself in Sri Lanka -- the giant next door, India".

But there is no indication India will provide Sri Lanka with the "offensive" hardware Mr Rajapakse maintains is needed to help defeat the Tamil Tigers.

One highly placed source in Colombo described the situation as "an absurdity -- on the one hand they (India) insist we should not deal with China and Pakistan; on the other hand, they will not give us the weapons we need to deal with the Tigers.

"This is carrying the big brother relationship too far. It makes no sense. They cannot realistically expect us to follow their diktat."

Over the weekend, Sri Lankan police have ordered the eviction of hundreds of ethnic Tamils sheltering in the capital, Colombo, claiming they are a threat to national security when they spend a long time in Colombo without employment."
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
Quote    Reply

iSoldier       6/5/2007 11:39:14 AM

India has said in the past that they will not sell Lanka offensive equipment. But when lanka wants to shop for offensive equipment for their army from other countries, they moan and whine. Thats the truth. Read this article below.

Nothing, I repeat, nothing in your article answers the fundamental question: Is there an Indian capability to sell offensive weapons? Only if there is capability can there be a matter of will sell or won't sell.
 
Show me an article which can prove Indian defense industry has the excess capacity to produce for export, and then you can moan and whine all about India moaning and whining. Show me documentation that India has ever interfered with Sri Lankan imports from third-party vendors like Israel, Russia, Rumania etc. Until then this is a pathetic exercise in demonizing India. Period.


 
Quote    Reply
1 2 3 4 5 6 7   NEXT



 Latest
 News
 
 Most
 Read
 
 Most
 Commented
 Hot
 Topics