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Subject: Why South Korea Matters
SYSOP    4/28/2015 5:52:56 AM
 
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HR    Tribalism   4/28/2015 1:15:01 PM
South Korea has a more cohesive society than Pakistan. They have also benefited from being a front line state in close alliance with the USA... that has brought money and technology transfers. Also, let us not forget that Pakistan is more geopolitically and economically remote than Korea... For example, it is more valuable to have a seaboard facing the Pacific than one facing the Indian Ocean... it is more valuable to sit along major Pacific trade routes than it is sitting along the far fewer Indian Ocean trade routes. Etc.
 
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keffler25       4/28/2015 2:33:13 PM
I would point out that the reason South Korea matters TO INDIA (aside from the economic model, though Japan would be just as applicable, or Singapore, or even Malaysia for that matter) is that it forces China to orient EAST away from India.
 
As far as China and Pakistan are concerned, the Chinese want a presence in the Indian ocean (aside from Myammar) and Pakistan is the perfect stooge state for this purpose. The Chicoms need a pliant waystation on their rape and pillage route into Africa.  
 
This will be problematic for India because it is an encirclement strategy that appears to be working all to well.
 
So India better get her act together in a hurry or she will be flanked on land and hemmed in at sea.   
 
She does not have the luxury of time as Uncle does...  
 
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HR    Myanmar   4/28/2015 4:00:56 PM
Myanmar is crucial to China's strategy of by-passing the straight of Malacca. Right now most of their raw materials flow through there right under the guns of Singapore and Malaysia and subject to potential interdiction with great difficulty of defense on their part. Pipelines and roads through Myanmar will alleviate that strategic weakness of them. As far as encircling India... the Chinese do not have the Navy for that; encircling India would be a huge endeavor. But from Myanmar they could threaten certain economic centers... that might be enough.
 
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keffler25       4/28/2015 6:03:45 PM
No it isn't. Learn to read a map, you idiot. 
 
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HR    Keffler   4/28/2015 8:58:08 PM
So maybe this they are talking about is not true? "The ?Malacca dilemma,? refers to China?s excessive reliance on the strait with 60-70 per cent of its oil shipment going through. Two threats emerge from this: first, piracy and maritime terrorism; second, influence or dominance of other powers over the strait. China has increased its presence in the region by developing special diplomatic and strategic relations.18" Keffler, I hold my hand out to you in a sign of friendship and you post something as asinine as hat you just did... shame.
 
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Nate Dog    Sigh   4/28/2015 10:21:01 PM
HR,
I keep saying not to engage with you..... Yet here i go.
 
You can't replace sea transport with anything else.
Anything.
You could build a dozen parallel rail roads and still not be able to take 5% of the good transported by sea over an equivalent distance. Im not even talking about how cheap it is to move things by sea relative to land. Sheer volume. Rail is inconsequential for main transport. Its uses are as distribution hubs. In case this confuses you... Look up every modern rail road on earth.
 
 
 
 
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HR    Nate   4/29/2015 10:37:16 AM
Number one project of China in Myanmar is a pipeline. That way they can unload their oil there and ship it to China with out going through the Straits of Malacca. They are also working on others that can provide relief from a blockade. But look at the map that Keffler posted... they are also throwing a net in other directions... secondary sources of oil but still they provide additional redundancy to the current suppliers.
 
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keffler25       4/29/2015 3:53:51 PM
Read a map, and then shut up, HR.  
 
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keffler25       4/29/2015 4:59:09 PM
Nate, how's your history? Ever hear of the Burma Road?
 
That was a NIGHTMARE. And someone suggests that the Chinese will simply throw a pipeline across that country?** How HIGH do you have to be on drugs to say that nonsense?     
 
** Already have done so, but the Burmese have something of an internal rebellion in progress because of it and the Chinese have screwed up their end of the project  (refinery blew up) after the SOUTH KOREANS rammed the Burmese section through the middle of the Arrakeen valley doing enormous ecological damage in the process.    
 
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Nate Dog    Im familiar with it Keff   4/29/2015 10:19:21 PM
Have seen most alec guiness movies ;)
 
But not following your point? Burma road was never able to carry much by way of supplies, kept getting cut, and the Japs were eventually chased out of S.E. Asia, most likely because they couldn't resupply by sea... As the US had cut them off.
 
Or am i missing something?
 
 
 
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