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Subject: Pakistani Air Force has won every encounter against the Indian Air Force
HeavyMetal    3/13/2005 3:42:30 AM
Indian resources have naturally refuted and denied PAF air superiority over the FIVE times larger IAF in the 65 and 71 wars. Indian and Pakistani claims and counter claims are pointless on this subject as they tend to be biased and blurred with nationalism. The only way to assess this is through the neutral and qualified international opinion, which has now become aviation history. Check out autobiography of Gen. Chuck Yeagers (yes, the one who broke the sound barrier), who 'refereed' the 1971 war and flew up and down the region collecting wreckage of IAF aircraft shot down by the PAF. Here is what he says, "the Pakistanis scored a three-to-one kill ratio knocking out 102 Indian jets and losing 34 of their own. I am certain about the figures because I went out several times a day in a chopper and counted the wrecks below. I counted wrecks, documented them by serial numbers, identified the components such as engines and rocket pods" Now he is not exactly a Pakistani, is he? Check out the following world reputed aviation journals. USA - Aviation week & space technology - December 1968 issue. "For the PAF, the 1965 war was as climatic as the Israeli victory over the Arabs in 1967. A further similarity was that Indian air power had an approximately 5:1 numerical superiority at the start of the conflict. Unlike the Middle East conflict, the Pakistani air victory was achieved to a large degree by air-to-air combat rather than on ground. But it was as absolute as that attained by Israel. UK - Air International - November - 1991 " the average PAF pilot is almost certainly possessed of superior skills when compared with, say, an average American pilot. As to those who are rated above average, they compare favourably to the very best " Encyclopaedia of Aircraft printed in several countries by Orbis publications - Volume 5 "Pakistan's air force gained a remarkable victory over India in this brief 22 day war exploiting its opponents weaknesses in exemplary style - Deeply shaken by reverse, India began an extensive modernisation and training program, meanwhile covering its defeat with effective propaganda smoke screen. If you feel more at ease with German and French, then also checkout the followings Air Action (France) December 1988 and January 1989 Flugzeug (Germany) February (2) 1989 In addition to this, PAF put on show for inspection, its entire fleets after BOTH of the wars in presence of world dignitaries and aviation community. The five times bigger IAF should have annihilated the tiny PAF to prevent such displays!!!!!! Now these are FACTS - what rides on a wave of nationalism is just fiction.
 
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K2    RE:Pakistani Air Force has won every encounter against the Indian Air Force   3/13/2005 8:11:47 AM
FAS describe Pakistan Air Force Combat Commander School is the Pakistani equivalent of the American "Topgun" school at US Naval Air Station Miramar in California. “Sargodha Air Base, located west of Lahore, hosts the Headquarters of the Central Air Command, one of three combatant air commands on the Pakistani Air Force. Aircraft currently based at this facility include two squadrons of General Dynamics F-16A fighters. The base is also the site of the Pakistan Air Force Combat Commander School. This fighter tactics and weapons school is the Pakistani equivalent of the American "Topgun" school at US Naval Air Station Miramar in California.” http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/pakistan/facility/sargodha.htm
 
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coolboyjay    RE:Pakistani Air Force has won every encounter against the Indian Air Force   3/13/2005 9:03:51 AM
Then how come u lost half of ur country? and still cannot capture kashmir? And yeah, how come u don't wanna fight a full blown war?
 
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prez-Gen    RE:Pakistani Air Force has won every encounter against the Indian Air Force   3/13/2005 12:56:46 PM
Heavy mental & K2 this is something that must be cleared at once. From 1947 to date India has had a single military strategy and that has been defence not offence. Outside of '71 india has never been the first to strike as it has been our policy even against China. Pakistan has just taken advantage of this in 48','65 & '99. believe me if Mexico behaved as the paki military has it would have made numerous military incursions inside American california but it would take the US army less than a morning to eject such people. Similarly it took india a little longer to eject pakistan from gujrat in '65 & j&k in '99. Your 'successful operations' were by no means air victories. and also in the 71 war pakistan was kept well stocked by the US as the pakis had resisted the soviets all the while. WE on the otherhand had been left high & dry by USSR until '74 when we achieved ultimate military superiority over pakistan. but in '71 over the western front pakistan was equipped with state of the art american machinery while we had out dated but ever so faithful gnat fighters. inspite of this we achieved enough of air superiority over pakistan to make Bhutto come to India kneeling and kissing the feet of the 'Madam'. Finally you have to remember that after india's NAM misadventures the US had made up its mind against India so 'the second man to break the speed barrier' aint no referee in this situation and also his flights were based from pakistan so who knows how he must have been tortured for 'answers'. also the french have been in bed with you pakis forever and the UK has an ever increasing inferiority comlex towards india on the global scene since india started nuclear ambitions in 1960. Basically the US, UK, france, china & others are not neutral by any means and in a related incident i tried really hard to find a german reference to what you said but i could not find it. 'Um did you make it up." (notice the full-stop at the end of my last sentence)
 
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prez-Gen    Pakis reply to this   3/13/2005 1:01:27 PM
Yep you guys have to respond and i know a few of you guy must have surely had a fit. what with all the "paki air force coming from the ""behind"" to get the indians in the ""nose"" jokes floating on the net
 
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HeavyMetal    RE:Pakistani Air Force has won every encounter against the Indian Air Force   3/13/2005 5:35:12 PM
Lolz. What a pathetic answer. That your air-force was outnumbered, and we had better equipment. The truth of the matter was, that our air force, was, is and will be more skilled than your air force. We shot down your planes because our pilots are a lot better trained than your pilots. Our Air Force is small, but its a shiver down the spine of every indian air field marshall who has to face our mighty air force. jane, globalsecurity and all the other respectable military agencies have ranked the pakistani air force higher than the indian force in terms of pilot skill. when will you indians learn to accept that you will never surpass us.
 
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HeavyMetal    RE:Pakistani Air Force has won every encounter against the Indian Air Force   3/13/2005 8:04:56 PM
our air force has always been rated higher than your pathetic air force. go fly your flying coffins
 
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kommando    lol!!!! like 1971 !!!   3/13/2005 10:51:56 PM
LOL!!! i dont even remeber stories about the gallant PAF operating in eastern sector , anyone here do? also during Kargil, when your own PM admitted losing 3000 men , our mirages were bombing at will , wonder what the PAF was doing ? scred ? too scared to even send fighters to defend poor NLI troops
 
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HeavyMetal    RE:lol!!!! like 1971 !!!   3/14/2005 2:19:42 AM
hahahaa. you must be stupider than your posts. our army was tied down so far away from home. I would really like to see how india would have performed under such conditions. i think indian troops would have surrendered without us even firing a shot. please, go ahead and relish that so called victory, because thats the only way you seem to fight. a coward's pathetic way of fighting. indian soldiers lack the courage, honesty, integrity and moral high ground from which to wage war. they are just a bunch of thugs armed with guns and told to kill innocent women and children. Pakistan's military is better and always be better than the indian army. buying these weapons from a country 100 times smaller than your, should shame you. (israel) or maybe that is your incompetence. i guess its time for you to drive your taxi. say hello to apu and sanjay for me.
 
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PeregrinePike    Questions for HeavyMetal   3/14/2005 10:57:16 AM
On Chuck Yeagers: "Now he is not exactly a Pakistani, is he?" >> How on earth in 71 did an American military officer get to move across India? Remember US and India werent particularly friendly back then... as far as Indians were concerned Americans had made a belligerent move by putting USS Enterprise in Bay of Bengal... I think the whole account is bull-! "USA - Aviation week & space technology - December 1968 issue." >> Get the same info from a Swiss, Swedish or even a British website and present it here. "UK - Air International - November - 1991 " the average PAF pilot is almost certainly possessed of superior skills when compared with, say, an average American pilot. As to those who are rated above average, they compare favourably to the very best " >> Yeah, the same ppl crowed over Cope India success of Indians, but most sane ones among us know that the Sukhois were the best we had, and still wouldnt have stood a chance against the F22's (we fought against F15's). So their credit seems a bit shaky to me, does it to you in this regard? "In addition to this, PAF put on show for inspection, its entire fleets after BOTH of the wars in presence of world dignitaries and aviation community. The five times bigger IAF should have annihilated the tiny PAF to prevent such displays!!!!!!" >> Now, why would we want to do that? You keep our flyboys in shape to take on the chinComs ;-) Really, how do we convice the lefty govt of ours to fund procurement if not for their fear of Muslim hordes running over their bloody Mao and ? -- we need you as a stallion needs a polo pony ;-)
 
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PeregrinePike    RE:Pakistani Air Force has won every encounter against the Indian Air Force   3/14/2005 11:00:17 AM
Again, K2, I must ask you to go for American reviews like HedLessHelmet did... ... how else do we know a bloody "EQUIVALENET" is not the same as "EQUAL"? >> Of course we have dictionaries, but the lefty FAS doesnt seem to use one - given their other "ASSessment" of Pakistani capabilities ;-)
 
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