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Subject: Kopassus
hangin    3/31/2005 3:00:37 AM
Saya mengira tidak ada orang-orang indonesia disini, eh? Apakah Kopassus bagus sekali?

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hangin    RE:Kopassus   3/31/2005 3:13:29 AM
Beberapa gambar-gambar Kopassus dan lain-lain TNI (Bahasa Ingerris): link link
 
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hangin    Buku Kopassus   3/31/2005 10:21:32 AM
Saya sudah membelih dan membaca "Kopassus" oleh Ken Cowboy. Buku ini bagus sekali, tetapi hanya sampai 1993! Tentu saja semua disini harus membaca juga buku ini. Kopassus memang yang terbaik dalam Asia!
 
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Massive    RE:Buku Kopassus   4/14/2005 6:29:06 AM
Hi Hangin, I haven't read the book yet but it would definitely be worth a read. It is a bit out of date - I feel that pre-Asian crisis and post-Asian crisis the Indonesian military has changed a great deal. As to whether I think Kopussus is the best military unit in SEA I simply cannot agree. I would put a large number of units in front of the - including large parts of the Singaporean Army and the better Vietnamese units. Regards, Massive
 
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beersheba    RE:Buku Kopassus   4/14/2005 9:37:08 PM
Kopussus as the best military unit in SE Asia??? That is one of the funniest things I've ever heard. Just cause they wear hankies on their heads and pull mean faces in photos don't mean squat. They are rubbish.
 
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Massive    RE:Buku Kopassus - Beer   4/15/2005 3:47:18 AM
You are probably being a bit harsh there. They would be very poor compared to Australian standards but are undoubtedly the best light infantry in the TNI (although there is a seperate Marine SF unit which may be better - hell - the marines might be better). They would overmatch any Aceh separatists at a guess though.
 
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shawn    RE:Buku Kopassus - Beer   4/15/2005 5:01:29 AM
The Indonesian Marines also have a far better reputation than Kompassus, and are more 'respected' by the Indonesian public. During the Jarkata Riots, the deployment of Marines greatly contributed to an easing of tension. Basically, Kompassus units were rather 'lacklustre' in stopping the rioting and damage, but the Marines were seen to be more disciplined. Kompassus are good light infantry, but I'm suspect of their training standards, especially in terms of military discipline. I don't think that they are the best in South East Asia as Special Forces. For example, Singapore's commandoes are very well trained, and a select few have taken the US Navy SEAL course and come in first. Then there's the Thai Rangers, which are really scary guys...
 
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gf0012-aust    RE:Buku Kopassus - Beer   4/15/2005 5:15:55 AM
"Then there's the Thai Rangers" they certainly have the respect of the USMC in the Cobra Gold series of exercises. they literally are "snake eaters" ;)
 
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Massive    RE:Buku Kopassus - Shawn   4/15/2005 5:35:16 AM
I am it even all that sure that they are as good as Singaporean regular infantry. Since they lost training assistance from Australia and the US I suspect that their standard has slipped markedly. Agree on the Marines reputation - geberated by the then commander on the scene who's name I have forgotten but could probably track down if you are interested. Regards, Massive
 
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Massive    RE:Indonesian Military Article   4/15/2005 5:38:15 AM
The Strategypage article suggested that service in the military was due to conscription. My understanding is that this is not the case, that it is all volunteer, popular as a career and that it is consequesntly quite hard to get in. Thoughts? Massive
 
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shawn    RE:Indonesian Military Article   4/15/2005 5:52:54 AM
I was contemplating sending Harold Hutchinson an email on that. I've never heard of conscription in Indonesia, but he may have gotten it from the CIA World factbook: link Anyone have a contact in the CIA they can berate about this? There is no way that Indonesia can support a conscript force of approximately 2 million every year.
 
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Massive    RE:Indonesian Military Article   4/15/2005 6:14:27 AM
True. But I don't think they even have selective conscription. Height requirements knock out a lot of volunteer applicants - this suggests that the military has pleanty of choice and no shortage of raw volunteer manpower.
 
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hangin    RE:Indonesian Military Article   4/15/2005 10:41:58 AM
Ya, kopassus memang bagus sekali....kenapa? Karena kopassus sudah ada beberapa aktiviti militar yang benar. sebetulnya, mereka membebas hostages di Thailand dalam pada tahun 1980s, dan kopassus juga membebas hostages di irian jaya pada tahun 1997. Silakan bacalah yang buku itu.
 
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Massive    RE:Indonesian Military Article - Hangin   4/15/2005 1:03:18 PM
That's fine - but in that era they were receiving training assistance from both the Australian and US special forces. Since the succession of East Timor from Indonesia this training has not occurred and the quality of Kopussus has plummeted. Regards, Massive
 
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hangin    RE:Indonesian Military Article - Hangin   4/15/2005 1:46:20 PM
"Since the succession of East Timor from Indonesia this training has not occurred and the quality of Kopussus has plummeted." heheheh....mungkin....tetapi di mana misal-misal anda? kopassus masih beroperasi dimana-mana. Tetapi tentu saja mereka perlu-perlu lebih uang!
 
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Massive    RE:Indonesian Military Article - Hangin   4/15/2005 1:57:11 PM
Yes - agree that there is a fair bit of supposition there - but I think you may find that my supposition is pretty close to the truth. They may be everywhere in Indonesia but I sincerely doubt that they are operating anywhere else (and I include East Timor and PNG in this). There aren't many military units in the world that would say that they don't need more money!
 
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